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atco-matic 2nd Feb 2009 06:36

Whats happening with the snow at work?
 
Did the morning shift make it in to Swanwick/LHR? Whats the snow like down there? We have about 6 inches here!

Roffa 2nd Feb 2009 08:23

Probably doesn't matter...


TACT/CASA MESSAGE: XCD
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REF : SNOW AT EGLL --ZERO RATE FOR ARRIVING TRAFFIC---
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REG ID : EGLLA02E
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VALID : 0850: UNTIL: 1230 UTC
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REMARKS : FCM MESSAGE NOT REQUIRED
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CFMU OPERATIONS DIVISION-BRUSSELS



At least AMAN should be able to cope with that :p

Medway Control 2nd Feb 2009 08:30

yeah the morning shift made it in... like british rail, late but they got there! And actually, though i'd never say this out loud, AMAN was quite well behaved this morning... The eats were within 10 mins of being correct... Its getting better... :hmm:

HeathrowAirport 2nd Feb 2009 08:34

Runway 09R should be open at Heathrow in 5 minutes I think.

Weres COA110 going? He was holding hes now gone to London and now north of Luton at FL220 :(

Were has all the Long haul Inbounds gone? Theres a stack at Ock and BIG of Virgin a/c and to my shock suprise no BA :P

bmb7jiw 2nd Feb 2009 10:47

soooo glad im off work today.....

Defruiter 2nd Feb 2009 11:31

The COA went to Manchester.

HeathrowAirport 2nd Feb 2009 12:15

Thanks, were did all the BA aircraft inbound go? It was a shock to see the UKs biggest carrier no were to be seen.

HHI OPS 2nd Feb 2009 12:23

Most of them diverted to LGW and MAN too.

atco-matic 2nd Feb 2009 13:11

Cardiff diversions:

BA 228 Baltmore
BA 264 Washington
BA 048 Seattle

Glasgow diversions:

BA 298 Chicago
BA 196 Houston

Newcastle diversions:

BA 068 Philadelphia
BA 144 Dhaka
BA 252 Nassau

Shannon diversions:

BA 208 Miami
BA 084 Vancouver
BA 282 Los Angeles

Prestwick diversions:

BA 284 San Francisco
BA 286 San Francisco
BA 154 Cairo

Manchester Diversions:

BA 058 Cape Town
BA 124 Bahrain
BA 296 from Chicago

Others:

BA 256 from Delhi diverted to Gatwick
BA 036 from Chennai diverted to East Midlands
BA 118 from Bangalore diverted to Birmingham

BA 098 from Toronto diverted to Amsterdam

BA 074 from Lagos diverted to Barcelona :eek:


NW104 from Minneapolis diverted to Amsterdam

250 kts 2nd Feb 2009 14:24


Thanks, were did all the BA aircraft inbound go? It was a shock to see the UKs biggest carrier no were to be seen.
I thought maybe the "h" on his keyboard has gone walkies-until I saw the word shock.:E:E

Must take more notice in English lessons I think.:=

Flaps ten please 2nd Feb 2009 14:51

Oi! I wasn't late and I was an early start too.

Didn't see many office staff around though.

I wonder if we will get recognition with a swanky awards ceremony?

:hmm:

BAND4ALL 2nd Feb 2009 18:01

What do do reckon picture of the day will consist of tomorrow:rolleyes:
Plus will the Barrons' blog mention a snowman?

Coast 2nd Feb 2009 19:08

6" wow

stop the world!!

bfd

radar707 2nd Feb 2009 21:42

Let's not forget those of us at the airports that took large numbers of diversions whilst having to deal with all the crappy weather and closures etc. What did we get? square root of F*#k all!!!

FinalVectors 3rd Feb 2009 00:13

A quick question from Norway....how come a few cm. of snow can shut down EGLL? Don't they have snowremoval equipment and cleaning plans, to cope with just little snow like today?

I'm so amazed by this. In Oslo we allmost never close a runway for more than 15 minutes to clean it, and use the other one for combined operation during that time. About a week ago we had like 40cm in a day with just minor delays (we "loose" about 4 arrivals for cleaning the runway)

All my sympathy to you all who had to sort out everything in the air today;)

Regards
FinalVectors
Oslo APP

autothrottle 3rd Feb 2009 03:07

Final vectors ,

Agreed , here at Heathrow we seem to struggle with snow. Remember though you might get snow every winter, here we don't. We only see snow fall like this every 20 years or so. You buy for the average snow fall and when you get more you work hard to clear it. Your average is going to be a lot higher than here, where my 7 year old has only seen snow twice.

Dumbledor 3rd Feb 2009 09:54

I've seen the snow clearing at Oslo. Even in heavy snow, one RW was used for departures and arrivals while the other is cleared with de-icing bays next to the RW holding points. It was impressive. How much would it all cost for LHR to gear up with as many snow ploughs etc as Olso? There would still be diversions with only one RW in use, but how much did LHR lose yesterday, let alone their customers?

loubylou 3rd Feb 2009 11:06

Probably nowhere near as much as it would cost to buy, keep, maintain all the equiptment required for, as autothrottle says, an occurance that is rare.

louby

PS - 250kts - I'm glad I'm not the only one irritated aby where/were - there/their/they're and lose/loose! ;)

Dumbledor 3rd Feb 2009 12:04

'Equiptment'??!!

It would be good to find out how much it would cost exactly. I wonder if the fire trucks could be converted for dual use duties to include snow clearance. Heathrow's reputation must be worth something also....

Bern Oulli 3rd Feb 2009 12:16

I dimly recall an exceptionally heavy snow fall at Stansted in the late 60's I think. Out came the snow clearance vehicles that hadn't been used for years. It wasn't until the entire length of 23 had been swept down the centre-line that someone noticed that most of the wire bristles from one of the machine's brushes had fallen out. Where were they? Scattered down the entire length of what had been swept! FOD with a vengeance. Use 'em or lose 'em I suppose. Mind you, Stansted then wasn't what you would call "busy".


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