The numbers again...
 

African Queen, I just supplied numbers off the monthly numbers sheet, are you disputing them? Never implied who should be at the bottom either. Didn't realize your VFR count brought your daily traffic count up to 1400 movements per day either, my apologies for that.
If you are unhappy at Al Ain, Bro, why haven't you applied to the ACC where you could be making the big dirhams and have all your traffic finished before lunch?
Sincerely though, the only way you're going to get good raises at OMAL, (RAK and FUJ as well) is if you are critically short of controllers to the extent that SERCO may lose the contract. At the ACC, our radar screens are filled with uncorrelated targets in the Al Ain area and we know there is high volume traffic there at times which is credit to the controllers there. However, controller workload and abilities don't enter into the SERCO equation, being very short of manpower which results in SERCO losing money is the answer.
Respect.

More figures - where did you get the "1400 movements a day" figure from?

Fuj - OMFJ - is not a SERCO run ATC unit - :ok:

We're all controllers yes, but educated in different areas!!! Some ACC, some APP Radar, some APP only, some TWR only etc. And very different ability and skills to do the job, remember not everybody makes it through to e.g. ACC. So why should every controller be paid the same?? No chance in hell.
Tell me why I as an APP RAD controller should be paid the same as a NON-RADAR controller in Al Ain??? Because he plays around with thousands of MIL VFRs? B0ll0cks !
Its all about who moves the most PAX through the sky, who at the end pays your salary. And if you don't like it, well I guess YOU should see your manager. And this forum is to discuss whatever we like...
Supply & Demand = higher salary! How many controllers are knocking the doors to get in at OMAL/OMRK/OMFJ etc.

Falcon my mannnn....
 

Yo dude...take a chill pill...it wasn't I that first started this p!ssing contest now was it?:ugh:
I give you central radar....they get all your stuff thru the RANBI gate, all the stuff from Abu Dhabi that meets all your Dubai departing traffic at the same point, all the stuff out of Al Dhaffra going to the same point AND the Al Daf traffic going north, all the Ab Dab traffic going north, all the overflying stuff going thru the same exit point as your climbing stuff, both high and low level, AND they also deal with all the OTBD and OTBH departures heading north that cross all that other stuff that I just mentioned on climb! They also regularly get the Yank P3s wandering aimlessly thru their patch at all kinds of levels. I also forgot the military stuff coming back to OTBH and OMAM...but I'm getting old now so my memory is shot. There are probably some more but you get the general idea:E
I happen to agree with N4M4...those guys in Bahrain have some serious thrill issues:ok:

Both UAE and Dubai (especially) need to give thanks to the guys in Bahrain..if they didn't take all of the crap that we throw at them and put flow restrictions on (and I am amazed that they don't) Dubai would just be one big parking lot for a really long time at certain times of the day as we would just slow down or stop your departure gaggles.

Just for the record..I wasn't trying to bang on about how much busier it was here versus there...you were indeed the one that brought that up! so your looks a bit funny don't you think?
I think you will find that all of us in the UAE are supportive of all our brothers,sisters and cousins around the gulf getting a fair increase.
PS I'm not training either, but referring to your what like holding and stuff?....:E

about the same number that are falling over themselves trying to get to AUH / DXB - **** ALL !!!!!!!

A Freakin' Queen...
 

I make more money than you do, I suppose that's something.

It is not direct connected with ME issues and problems, but I would like to give an example how ACC works.
Once while I was sitting in approach I had an opportunity to listen ACC sector on buck up frequency. One ATCO was working 2 hours on sector and he repeated next:
XXX 231( this was the only part of messages that had been changed) Identified , proceed direct to, maintain FL...
and second one
XXX 231 contact ......
To be honest he had done it around 80 times during those 2 hours but I realised that it is my dream job. ACC is great! No vectoring for separation ,no descent instruction no avoiding action, neither vectoring for spacing nor for sequencing...
So I had come to conclusion that APP/RDR is much more complicated than ACC/RDR position in the same portion of airspace.
Don't forget that all aircraft passing trough some ACC sector has already passed or would pass trough some APP.
That is the reason why I have an opinion that adequate APP sector should have at least the same salary as adequate ACC sector.
The same should be applied for your region as well.
But the problem lies at another place. Somehow, someone , sometimes in the past explained very successfully that ACC should be paid better. After this point everthing has been " COPY PASTE"

Singa...
 

If your post was a wind up...well done! :D

Reality check buddy :hmm:

Singa
 

Have you ever worked ACC? Unless you've worked them all and have that appreciation, you ain't qualified to comment - hence the crowd laughing in the background. :}

Hey Singa....
 

Remember when you move away from your home area, that you ain't in Kansas any more Toto!

The corollary of your ACC story is what many of us saw in our home countries. The ACC had given the star, held or vectored the aircraft for space, put the speed on and handed them off to Approach. All APP had to do was descend the aircraft, clear them for the approach and tell them to call the tower.

All is not necessarily as it is in your part of the world.:ouch:

Now around here, BOTH Area and APP vector the aircraft all over the skies, BOTH have extremely complex patches of air that they own and run, and BOTH appreciate the job the other is doing.
We may have a dig at each other now and again here:E but that is all in good fun:ok:

Hey Shoe
 

A Freakin' Queen ????????? Now! Now! Don't get your velcro in a knot... sticks and stones ....

Well, I guess you win then. Sorry to hear you won't be sticking around long.
If you are only here for the money, unless you come from Zimbabwe, this is not the place to be.

I will think of all the monopoly money you are earning next time I take the 10 minute, traffic free, drive home (including the stop off at the boozer to spend a small portion of the excess from my housing allowance on a couple of dozen Heineken). And whilst I sit on the porch of my large villa drinking the beer and watching the maid sweep the pool I will ponder the wisdom of moving to the coast.

Oh, BTW, I thought that the amount of money you have left in the bank the day before payday is more important than how much you have the day after pay day :ugh:

Hey Queenie!!
 

I didn't know you lived in Ab Dab!!

Your description sounds just like my place...:E

Ps the booze shop thing...don't tell anyone but it's just over the street from the UAE centre:E

Aha ....
 

That would explain some of the co-ordination we get := :) :)


....and I guess you can walk there. Which is a good thing cos you can never find a parking space. :{

Duck
 

...please tell me that that was a pisstake against singa. So, APP used no speed control, no crossing tracks with deps, no take 'em off the STAR because of TS/CB (rude and dynamic diversions off track) or FLOW has it bloody wrong or No1 or No3 thinks he's a 152...a pisstake right?

Singa's comments are laughable based on his lack of appreciation for Arrivals sectors (the at times chaotic and hectic donut of airspace that surrounds a TCU) as opposed to cruise sectors but you're not serious are ya?

Diving Duck and African Queen.....I feel a bit of a UAE pool tour coming on!!

You are welcome to the east coast anytime to enjoy the uninterrupted sea and mountain views from my humble and pleasant abode (Central A/C, Pool, Sauna, Gym - you know what I mean by humble!!)

Great to see people who are also happy to be over here.....

Cheers to us all - wherever we work - making the UAE skies a safer place......

Hey Track Coastal!!!
 

Yes old son, that was a bit of a shot across the bows:E with tongue firmly in cheek, there isn't a smiley for that:uhoh:

Mind you, from what mates of mine say about what is going on in Oz at the moment, it's not too far from the mark:sad:

They (and this is only second hand info) seem to have dumbed it down until it is just sausage machine stuff:(

Neptune, welcome over here any time...the bar never shuts:ok:

Queenie...

Nah...don't have that problem here...just beep the horn and the little man comes out and takes your order! Ahhh, life in the big city!:E

For me it seems that UAE guys are getting a bit edgy because an increase is on the cards for DXB. Well tough. You can write what you like Dr.Evil I am not a moderator and I will do the same of course. My point remains that if you think you are underpaid let your bosses know instead of trying to make fellow controllers look smaller than you. I don't care a dried fig what you get in your pocket and I wouldn't care less if Al Ain, Rak et al get double pay today. At the end of the day I will look at what I get and if that is not enough or fair for me I will move to greener pastures. If you believe that you should be getting what DXB or Al Ain or wherever are getting maybe you should move there and live better. I will never look down at others whatever their amount of traffic is and publish silly baseless lists which mean absolutely nothin just to make me feel more important. Or are you maybe betting your boss is going to see this forum ??? :cool:

Falcon...

Don't worry about my bosses, they know already :)

A little bird told me that Serco UAE ACC Contract Manager will be offering NEW applications to Serco a higher package than those currently on their contract.