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flapsforty 27th Sep 2004 10:24

Air traffic in Norway halted
 
ATCOs at the Røyken Center have called in sick to protest the proposed close down of their fairly new, built into the mountain, state of the art unit.
The AVINOR agency wants reduce the number of ATC centers from 6 to 4.

All civilian air traffic in the so called 'eastcountry' (including the area of Oslo airport Gardermoen) has been grounded.

If you read Scando, here's a link.
Thoughts going to all the crews & ATCOs having to deal with this today.

slingsby 27th Sep 2004 12:44

Yes, a walk out by ATC staff has led to the suspension of all air traffic in Norway. Our flight FI320 ex KEF was already enroute and has had to divert to BGO (via ATC who advised to divert and contact BGO tower radio) and is waiting there with pax on board for decision whether to terminate the flight there and return empty or if hours permit to wait and continue the flight. Fortunately they had return catering onboard so lunch is being served without too much hassle, the crew were a bit upset about the coffee though.

M609 27th Sep 2004 16:00


a walk out by ATC staff has led to the suspension of all air traffic in Norway
This is b@llocks! Only Oslo AOR (former Oslo FIR) is affected. Routes between airports outside this area operate as normal. But granted, the bulk of scheduled traffic is affected, because Oslo Gardermoen is the largest airport by far.

Btw: HOSP/SAR is naturally not affected.

slingsby 27th Sep 2004 16:24

Gretten, sur . barsk liv

M609 27th Sep 2004 17:20

Oslo ATCC to close
 
Article in English :(

(For those of you that are not familiar with our organization, It's like if they shut down Swanwick, and moved it to Manchester.)

Btw: I don't work at ENOS, but wold have liked to!

A I 27th Sep 2004 17:27

Sounds pretty dire. My sympathy to you guys. I wonder what the Manchester boys and girls reckon, after all they are all going to Scotland soon and that is a lot further than the distance from Swanwick to Manchester.

On that subject what would the reaction be from EGCC staff if they had the option of moving to the south coast. After all Sector 29 only went to Manch because it could not be accommodated at West Drayton. There's plenty of room now but not many decent houses left.

A I :D :D :D :D

BALIX 27th Sep 2004 18:10


I wonder what the Manchester boys and girls reckon, after all they are all going to Scotland soon and that is a lot further than the distance from Swanwick to Manchester.
Really? I can do Troon - Manchester in three and a half hours without attracting the attention of the local constabularies along the route. I imagine that Manchester - Swanwick is pretty similar.

The Sad ATCO 27th Sep 2004 20:01

BALIX,

Why would you possibly want to go from Troon to Manchester anyway? The Hacienda has got nothing on Pebbles. :E

captaink 27th Sep 2004 21:03

Instead of being

BALIX 27th Sep 2004 21:15

Oh Sad One

It used to be for the ice hockey :{

Capt. Inop 27th Sep 2004 21:15


Stick together, something we the cockpitpeople don't know how to do anymore...................
Words taken out of my mouth..

Hårek den Hardbalne 27th Sep 2004 21:33

A union at its best
 
If you want to know how a union should work for its members - just follow this conflict. If you are living/working out of the UK, pay close attention. You might pick up a few clues to the benefit of your, shall we say, not so splendid system :O

Spuds McKenzie 27th Sep 2004 21:36


your, shall we say, not so splendid system
Careful there, Hårek, niknak wouldn't agree with that... :rolleyes:

FinalVectors 27th Sep 2004 22:42

Hi!

Just thought I should put a little post here. First of all I have to say sorry to all our flying collegues and passengers who got affected by what have happened here in Norway.

The reason for this 0-rate in ENOS AOR is bacicly that we take our work and the security serious.
When AVINOR (Norwegian CAA) dropped the "bomb" this morning, all of us working in Røyken (ATCC and APP) got really upset.
Its not easy to hear you have to relocate and all what this brings with it regarding life and family situation.

So because we dont want to control without a "clear head", as also is stated in your guidelines. We did the only correct thing to "close down" the airspace in the intrest of safety for all you pilots and the passengers you carry with you.

So its not been any industrial action, or other form for strike taking part at all.
All that have happened is a very human reaction to a very hard situation.

thx.
FinalVectors

M609 27th Sep 2004 23:15

Nicely put FinalVectors!

A bold move, but obviously a necessary one!

scran 28th Sep 2004 01:11

Is that the facility in the halls of the mountain king (ie - the one in the mountain? - Visited there in the mid 90's - Impressive facility).

M609 28th Sep 2004 04:36


the one in the mountain?
The one and only! It seems stupid to me to close a blastproof, EMP protected site, in favour of a old crummy shack from the seventies on open ground. (in the current sercurity climate)
After all it cost approx 700 million NOK (ca 65 mill £) to build Oslo ATCC in 1995.

Crazy.....

Flathatter 28th Sep 2004 06:23

Horsemanure!
What dropped bomb? Everybody knew it was going to be Røyken or Sola.
What a bunch of boohoohoos, having to move by 2008. If you can't keep a clear head when being informed of a job relocation, then you're in the wrong business.
How many times has your average pilot had to move during his/her career? I know a couple who are in double digits.
You guys are the lousiest controllers in northern Europe, amateurs compared to your very excellent next door neighbors to the south. Now we know you're also a bunch of crybabies.

Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?

Hårek den Hardbalne 28th Sep 2004 07:18

Spuds,

I do not know "niknak". But he/she/it can niknak as much as he/she/it wants. Fact is that the ATC union in Norway have reacted in a safe and professional manner.

What the ATC in Norway do is exactly what Flathatter should do before he/she goes to work in an aircraft after a dispute with his/her partner. Right Flathatter?

Flathatter,

BTW, Did you swallow a wasp? This :yuk: might help, but please, do it somewhere else than here ;)

Bol Zup 28th Sep 2004 07:18


Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him?
Six feet under last I heard.
Congrats to the Noggies for taking this stance.


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