Anybody want a (UK) job starting next April?

My ideal candidate will have ADI/APP/APS ratings. (...or Aerodrome, Approach & Radar in old money) with previous, recent validations, busy unit experience, OJT rating, Met. Obs certificate and sense of humour.

No night shifts, nice part of the world to live in, salary under £40K

Mike- your 'protected' situation there (having to be a citizen) may certainly be helping with pay negotiations/overtime. But as you say, most of your guys are due to be out the door very soon. How can you keep the policy? Is it realistic?
We all know things can change with the stroke of a pen.

Of course, I ask purely out of self interest. If the states were to open up (and I don't know that I'd go myself), the shockwaves would roll around the world. It would be a good time to be in the industry! There would be enormous international interest!:=

matspart3

Check your PM's!

:ok:

Ferris,

What is overtime, I haven't received any overtime since 1994. When we have controllers call in sick we work short staffed.

We have hundreds of former military controllers and just as many college trained individuals sitting on the door step waiting for those doors to open up. You are right, if the FAA opened the doors to foreign controllers the impact would be interesting to see.

Mike
NATCA FWA
(A80 in 54 days)

Mike;

Many facilities are getting a LOT of overtime, some of it due to staffing issues and some of it due to training for new equipment and or procedures. But there are a few folks out there getting overtime.

Ferris;

The citizenship thing comes from security clearance requirments. Many of us unlike most of the world work military aircraft all the time for normal transit as well as military ops and other sorts of things. As long as we have a military as well as law enforcement element within our job scope, I don't think that you will ever see them relax that restriction. Besides, we don't really have a need to go off shore to find willing and qualified candidates. We have more of them than we hire. Between the LARGE number of exiting military controllers as well as civilians that we have that have put themselves through school to do this job, we have no shortage of applicants, just a shortage of govt. dollars to hire.

regards

Scott

You guys crack me up! I work YOUR B1s, U2s, UAVs, A10s, P3s, fighters, tankers, transports- all in a war environment- everyday. So it's histerical that you think citizenship is important for that!

But I get the picture of what is causing your shortage ie. it's not a lack of bodies. Oh well, at least the US isn't the only place with an age bubble!

Ferris;

Don't confuse me with the govt... I just get a pay check from them. I don't care one way or the other if a person is a citizen if they can pass a security check...

regards

Scott

Hey, I'm not blaming you- it's just a silly statement. I would hazard a guess that, in fact, there would be more non-US citizens handling US mil flights (especially actual operational ones) than US citizens around the world atm. I don't think security checks are a high priority.;)

Hi Air No Services...

Our cut off for hiring is age 31 and if you get your citizenship when you get over here, you can apply.

regards

Scott

Hi Again;

I don\'t know how the FAA would handle you having a rating in other than our country. I know that they seem to handle everyone a little differently <sigh>. Most of the military folks even though already have ratings they treat as if they were right off the street in many cases. If you have had a rating at any US faciity then you are treated as a returning controller.

regards

Scott

Just a question, do you have a 100% checkout rate in the US? You keep saying that there is no shortage of applicants..well guess what.. We have no shortage of applicants in Canada either. The problem is.. do they all checkout? Your checkout level will be ALOT higher if FAA was hiring expats.

I have worked in the middle east for 18 months and have probably handled more US military traffic than most working a civil ATC career in the US. I don't have a US security clearance...actually there is no process for anyone to have any type of clearance out here. In Canada I worked a sector that shared a boundary with Cleveland center. There were many military restricted areas close to and on the boundaries. We had full information on what was going on there. We don't have US security clearances.

I agree with a previous post, all it will take is a will and a stroke of a pen. When you start hurting bad enough for staff things might change.

meanwhile back in blighty:rolleyes:

Meanwhile back in blighty....
 

Try here...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdi...?s=&forumid=87

I understand there is a shortage of controllers in NERC....at least there appears to be, every time I do Coord I never get a controller at the other end...

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Hi Euro ATC;

Nope we probably wash about 50% out, but still that leaves us with plenty of folks to chose from. We also wash many who have worked other places. Shoot, we even wash those coming from other facilities in our busier places <G>...

The security clearance isn't for working run of the mill military stuff. It is for working stuff that some other folks don't know anything about <G>.... Also for some law enforcement stuff that goes on that others are probably not privy to.

But, to answer your question, I doubt the US will ever feel that they are hard up enough to change the citizenship requirement. They didn't do it in 81 when they fired most of the controllers working, I doubt that they will do it when they are just a bit short <G>...

regards

Scott

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You must be trying to co-ord with the west-end sectors. Two of the five watches are staffed predominantly by ATCO 1's due to shortage of controllers.........just be patient please! The assistants are checked out on the phones and they will relay messages for you.

So which NATS units are short of ATCOs?

NATS may be short of ATCOs but they are very poor at recruiting controllers from the outside!!!!!!

Air No Services...

Part of the problem is that you wouldn't make it to retirement. Our mandatory retirement age for controllers is age 56. You can only retire if you have 20 years actively controlling traffic in a US FAA facility. We have been hiring some retired military controllers who sign up for a five year contract. They know when they come in that they are never going to get a full retirement out of it from the FAA. They can put back into a retirement fund, but it will not be fully funded when they finally leave. They do however get the military retirement while they are working...

regards

Scott

Robbie , have Glasgow not just recruited two non Nats?

LTCC is very short of staff.

The unit barely keeps up as it is, and that is only because of the use of AAVA's (NO, I do NOT do them - I value my time off !)

And guess what...yup, look, here it comes - the retirement bulge !

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"You must be trying to co-ord with the west-end sectors. "

If TT is trying to co-ordinate with the west end sectors things have gone horribly wrong indeed!!!:eek:

I am glad to have started a healthy debate some of which has been gone over before, but is there anyone out there at a unit that has sucessfully negotiated an increase in pay and conditions and if so how did you go about it...!!!:\