MATS 3

I just meant that that is what the pilot should be doing - checking "brakes off".

I am inclined to agree that the "check wheels" ought to be considered OTT - although I suppose that there is an argument that with all the RTF chat involved, the driver might just obverlook the important bit!

Thanks for the explanation - could you not have sighted the aerial to "see" the touchdown point? It must have a useful minimum range with a fairly short PL, surely?

With the extra rtf involved in a SRA the workload is higher and the approach itseld requires an extra layer of processing compared to say - an ils.

Therefore I am for the extra ATC nannying of check gear, minimums, brakes or whatever they feel like throwing in.

The flipside being I always throw in extra info if I think ATC are having to work harder with say a procedural session. We are all pursuing the same goal and trying to help each other as much as possible.

Cheers

WWW

Interesting point, but in these days of MCC and CRM, aren't we duplicating the cross checks and messing up your routine with the various extra checks, thereby adding to the workload?

Personally, I always found SRA's much easier to fly than pilot interpreted aids. You just do exactly as you're told, don't even have to reply during a half-miler and just look out of the window at MDA!

2 sheds
The aerial site was chosen before my time, but I think the south side marker would end up about 50m from the head, if it were sited at touchdown....theoretically though, I suppose they'd still be detectable given the short pulse length....might toast my Tels man tomorrow by way of an experiment!

Not in my PA28...!

Tim

matspart3

Be nice to Tels, some of us have PPL too!

Although Blackpool/Warton based I would love to come down to visit you guys. Sounds like you are all a bit mad there!

I trained in ACR430 engineering many (many!) years ago. Try standing inside the dome when the rotation speed is set on 'high'. I'm sure if it went any faster then sufficient lift would be generated for flight to be achieved.

Bear 555

Bear555
You'd be most welcome...cheap landing fee too if you refuel!!
Our Tels man is the world's nicest bloke and has a PPL too....there ain't much he don't know about 430's either.

Tim
Point taken, but I find giving all the extra spiel to some PPL's can sometimes push them over the edge too...then their heading flying goes to pot and they wander about all over the place!! (that's my excuse anyway!!)

matspart3

Once I have mastered going south instead of north then I will be in for a coffee - you prefer Hobnobs or Choc Digestives?

Always feel like turning left when I get to the M6 at the moment - all that controlled airspace - ooOoo.



Bear 555

I came back in from Bristol last night and the wx up on that hill required my utmost in planning and concentration.

I found a hole just south of Cheltenham and descended through it but it was nice to be reminded about the gear by the lady on 22.90 - it was already down and locked but I double checked that all three were illuminated.

Thanks as always.

Bear
Biscuits, cream horns, single malts...we're not fussy!! Southbound's easy M6, M5 we don't have any of that fancy controlled airspace stuff down here!!

Sharpshot
Which one were you then?

Matspart 3,

The one that commented on the new runway guard lights on dep in the morning. So when can we expect illuminated hold bars to compliment the wigwags;) Can't wait for the CAT I ILS on 27!!

You were good enough to oblige with an SRA when I was in the clag but I found a big gap about 2 miles south and took that option.

Cheers anyway - there will always be another time:ok: