Iraq Atc Jobs
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The request for tenders has not been released yet, but in addition to Serco the US conglomerate also bidding is RVA/Lockheed Martin/WCG.
PS Spank-me-baby, Getting around with that kit will only ensure your demize.....
PS Spank-me-baby, Getting around with that kit will only ensure your demize.....
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Once again, you really have no idea do you....next time you watch play school or whatever eduction program that reaches your level have a look at how many Iraqi's wear Dish Dasha and headress around town. Try and make a sensible contribution or don't bother at all.
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Well Said Fox
I posted this thread on behalf of a friend who is out of the nets reach and is looking for the info. The net ain't cheap in this part of the world and any genuine info is always appreciated.
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Fox 3 you are correct re the letting of the contract. A friend of mine has been making some discreet enquiries re this Iraq business, and has come up with the following.
Serco are bidding as well as a couple of others. He did not know about the Lockheed Martin bid, but Serco has put in there bit (you can bet they will only be looking at there bottom line and not so worried about the pay for the workers)
there is a rumour out that Thales have put in a bid so would appreciate some feedback on that one.
It seems that Skylink will be taking a smallish team in initially to get some sort of ATC up and running, then once the basic procedures and systems are set up and running the winning bidder of the contract (which is due to start on 1/1/04) will then start to gradually feed their staff into the ATS structure to be trained up and then take over from the original pathfinders.
I am banking on the Yanks keeping it in house (since they won the war???) and going with Lockheed Martin, anyone signing with Serco should remember what happened with their staff who were in Teheran working for a Serco (then IAL) contract when the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic revolution. The company did absolutely nothing for the staff there who had to flee overland dodging the revolutionaries. Some arrived in Dubai to be promptly told by the company in the UAE and I quote "what the hell are you doing here, you have to get back to work". All that Serco is concerned about is where the next buck is coming from rather than your personal safety!!!
Thats basically it for now, anymore feedback on this would be welcome!
TTFN
Serco are bidding as well as a couple of others. He did not know about the Lockheed Martin bid, but Serco has put in there bit (you can bet they will only be looking at there bottom line and not so worried about the pay for the workers)
there is a rumour out that Thales have put in a bid so would appreciate some feedback on that one.
It seems that Skylink will be taking a smallish team in initially to get some sort of ATC up and running, then once the basic procedures and systems are set up and running the winning bidder of the contract (which is due to start on 1/1/04) will then start to gradually feed their staff into the ATS structure to be trained up and then take over from the original pathfinders.
I am banking on the Yanks keeping it in house (since they won the war???) and going with Lockheed Martin, anyone signing with Serco should remember what happened with their staff who were in Teheran working for a Serco (then IAL) contract when the Shah was overthrown by the Islamic revolution. The company did absolutely nothing for the staff there who had to flee overland dodging the revolutionaries. Some arrived in Dubai to be promptly told by the company in the UAE and I quote "what the hell are you doing here, you have to get back to work". All that Serco is concerned about is where the next buck is coming from rather than your personal safety!!!
Thats basically it for now, anymore feedback on this would be welcome!
TTFN
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Yeah I hope that they don't force the FAA system on them as they have been using the UK CAA system for years. The Iraqis have enough problems as it is without having a new way of doing things, the Iraqi Airways pilots were all trained for the CAA licences and any that had FAA licenses had to retake the proper CAA exam. Grrrr 
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CUNIM, Yep it would certainly throw a spanner in the works! The Aussies and Brits are controlling there at the moment so conforming to a more "Universal" system than that of the States.
But Dick Smith of Oz fame thinks the States has a model system so better not question our mate Dicky!!!!
But Dick Smith of Oz fame thinks the States has a model system so better not question our mate Dicky!!!!
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SERCO MIDDLE EAST
For those who missed the Flight Int. adds (I only posted an abbreviated one before)
Air Traffic ControllersPosition type:
Permanent Region:
IraqCompany:
ATS Iraq Posted:Tuesday 19 August 2003
Job type(s):
Operations and ATC
Description: AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES
A major international provider of aviation services is seeking suitably qualified Air Traffic Services personnel for potential opportunities in Iraq. The following specialisation is required:
Air Traffic Controllers
Valid ICAO recognized ATC License
Current aviation standard medical certificate
Tower/Approach/Approach Radar and/or Area ratings
Procedural rating an advantage
Secure site accommodation will be provided together with excellent remuneration packages. Interested persons should apply, with CV, to the bellow addresses.
Reference:Fint.com
Contact Email:[email protected]
Address:
ATS Iraq
P.O. Box 72484
Abu Dhabi
United Arab EmiratesTelephone:+9712 633 5547
Air Traffic ControllersPosition type:
Permanent Region:
IraqCompany:
ATS Iraq Posted:Tuesday 19 August 2003
Job type(s):
Operations and ATC
Description: AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES
A major international provider of aviation services is seeking suitably qualified Air Traffic Services personnel for potential opportunities in Iraq. The following specialisation is required:
Air Traffic Controllers
Valid ICAO recognized ATC License
Current aviation standard medical certificate
Tower/Approach/Approach Radar and/or Area ratings
Procedural rating an advantage
Secure site accommodation will be provided together with excellent remuneration packages. Interested persons should apply, with CV, to the bellow addresses.
Reference:Fint.com
Contact Email:[email protected]
Address:
ATS Iraq
P.O. Box 72484
Abu Dhabi
United Arab EmiratesTelephone:+9712 633 5547
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Just had another little thought for anyone applying for Iraq ATC. Since the Central Council is now being given more powers, be careful that the CAA out there doesn't take the ATC jobs back once they have trained their own people - don't forget that it is Skylink Logistics acting for the US Gov't that is running the show at the moment and that may not be what the Iraqis want. So ask how long the job is for and if they are kicked out of Iraq, do they have another job for you.
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I would fully expect the CAA to take back their jobs once the locals are trained/retrained back into their positions as that is the object of the exersize, and certainly what we are supposed to be doing here in our part of the sandpit as well. Unfortunately for many reasons this progress is typically slow and the the tenders which are to be let will be structured around these timeframes.
The Military are running all of the ATC, Comms etc until the tenders are released, it seems that the delays are related to funds as the US, understandably, is starting to tighten the purse as there is not much monetary support coming from other nations.
I will have a better insight after the 6th of Sep. Having a few beers with the operatives who are about to rotate their teams in Baggers......assuming I remember the conversation as it probably will end up being more than a few beers!
The Military are running all of the ATC, Comms etc until the tenders are released, it seems that the delays are related to funds as the US, understandably, is starting to tighten the purse as there is not much monetary support coming from other nations.
I will have a better insight after the 6th of Sep. Having a few beers with the operatives who are about to rotate their teams in Baggers......assuming I remember the conversation as it probably will end up being more than a few beers!
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Fox 3
look forward to your update ASAP after the 6th Sept
Hope you can provide a full and comprehensive handover of info for us all
TTFN
PS Hope you enjoy the beers mate, have one on us!!
look forward to your update ASAP after the 6th Sept
Hope you can provide a full and comprehensive handover of info for us all
TTFN
PS Hope you enjoy the beers mate, have one on us!!
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PMS, wilco mate!
I don't expect anything too constructive, they have been stuck in the compund for 6 months and me almost likewise (well MCT anyway)!
I am sure the "distractions" of Dubai will probably alter the topic of conversation, but I will try to keep focussed!
I don't expect anything too constructive, they have been stuck in the compund for 6 months and me almost likewise (well MCT anyway)!
I am sure the "distractions" of Dubai will probably alter the topic of conversation, but I will try to keep focussed!
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Just coming to the end of 4 months in Iraq.
I know it sounds like a lot, but trust me, $135,000 isn't that much to have to spend a year out here (which luckily I don't). Haven't read all of the posts on this subject but the US ATC guys out here say that the first $80,000 are tax free and none of them are staying!
Cheers
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Still, wouldn't have minded a cut of the cash for my 4 months.
I know it sounds like a lot, but trust me, $135,000 isn't that much to have to spend a year out here (which luckily I don't). Haven't read all of the posts on this subject but the US ATC guys out here say that the first $80,000 are tax free and none of them are staying!
Cheers
RB
Still, wouldn't have minded a cut of the cash for my 4 months.
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Hi all
This would be a good contract for ICAO if you ask me; keep the private companies out as they just try to make an empire and a quick buck for themselves and forget the rest and the workers.
a quick in and out to train up the Iraqis over 18 mths as they must still have some ATC people there, Saddam couldnt have killed them all.
ICAO would probably have paid reasonably well and they would have been concerned about your safety too.
TTFN
This would be a good contract for ICAO if you ask me; keep the private companies out as they just try to make an empire and a quick buck for themselves and forget the rest and the workers.
a quick in and out to train up the Iraqis over 18 mths as they must still have some ATC people there, Saddam couldnt have killed them all.
ICAO would probably have paid reasonably well and they would have been concerned about your safety too.
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ICAO are just as legendary for empire building and making a buck from projects at the expense of member states and donors, but PMS I think your option of getting them in and re-qualifying the Iraqi's (stressing on the "re" here as at the end of the day there were controllers operating up to the day of the invasion.....oops sorry I mean't liberation!) is certainly a more realistic outcome given that money for rebuilding is becoming a bit of an issue.
As you would expect and was confirmed by people leaving the place, life is pretty grim airside and very restricted. It would take a seriously good renumeration and R&R package to compensate for that sort of lifestyle, not to mention the obvious secuirty risks.
Personally I think time will tell as to whether there is enough money, inclination and avenue for private contract operators to take part in the operation.
As you would expect and was confirmed by people leaving the place, life is pretty grim airside and very restricted. It would take a seriously good renumeration and R&R package to compensate for that sort of lifestyle, not to mention the obvious secuirty risks.
Personally I think time will tell as to whether there is enough money, inclination and avenue for private contract operators to take part in the operation.
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I guess that poses the question "How much money is enough" for the conditions and restriction of lifestyle. Good job Fox3, how were the lads anyway and did you lead them astray in Dubai??? Last time I went out with you, we found you asleep on the can after you tried to hide from one of the local girls, who just wanted to "puck dat whitey". Remember that one - town where you grew up as I recall!!!
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Yo Barra
After Dubai the lads certainly won't have got much use out of the in-flight entertainment system and would have probably been a bit timid of the complimentary drinks trolley as it whizzed past, yup a good'n !!
You will be happy to know that things haven't changed and I still wake up in strange places.....and with strange people come to think of it!!! Really miss "Kaderine" though
Cheers and beers
You will be happy to know that things haven't changed and I still wake up in strange places.....and with strange people come to think of it!!! Really miss "Kaderine" though
Cheers and beers