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I would think that most of the US pilots problems stem from having grown up in an aviation environment where they don't have to worry about standard phraseolgy to be understood. It makes on lazy as to the real phraseology. We controllers here in the US HATE it that the RT is so sloppy in the US and appears to be getting worse all the time. In the UK, anyone who is going to go any distance at all, is going to be talking to someone who is an english speaker as a second language and is going to have to conform to stardard phraseology, and the controllers are going to INSIST on it...
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I would think that most of the US pilots problems stem from having grown up in an aviation environment where they don't have to worry about standard phraseolgy to be understood. It makes on lazy as to the real phraseology. We controllers here in the US HATE it that the RT is so sloppy in the US and appears to be getting worse all the time. In the UK, anyone who is going to go any distance at all, is going to be talking to someone who is an english speaker as a second language and is going to have to conform to stardard phraseology, and the controllers are going to INSIST on it...
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Spot on LostthePicture.
Any time an American pilot starts a readback with " Understand you want us to ....." means "I have no idea what you want us to do!"
Why are even talking to this git.
Any time an American pilot starts a readback with " Understand you want us to ....." means "I have no idea what you want us to do!"
Why are even talking to this git.
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Its quite simplistic really, the Automatan is monitoring every aspect of your flight whether it be at the holding point or on final approach. The process works similar to TCAS RA transmissions ie the pilot is expect to follow what has been said and if that doesnt happen Automatan redefines the situation and acts accordingly.
On final approach, if an aircraft that is observed to climb more than six hundred feet instead of the correct descent profile, it initiates the alarm. At this point contingency controller steps in an has the option to overide instructions to "X" amount of particular flights by typing in callsigns on a pc based system in the tower. This system works quite well, but like I said before, so some stranger reasons the software has bugs which is not getting MDI orders perfect yet.
If the Automatan issues the instruction " Falcon 487 Line UP 32 Left"...... and the pilot responds "I need 2 minutes more before departure" If the Automatan hasn't voice recognised the words "Line-UP" It issues the instruction "Falcon 487 Line UP 32 Left or Hold Position, say again message" The Automatan automatically selects loud speaker on the Contingency desk to which the CONTCON can input in the pc where the Falcon can rejoin the flow of traffic. It does work, especially when all pilots are aware of the automated system and standard phraseology is paramount.
No one has answered my question about whether jobs will be lost in England or whether people will be redeployed ?
Reggie
Its quite simplistic really, the Automatan is monitoring every aspect of your flight whether it be at the holding point or on final approach. The process works similar to TCAS RA transmissions ie the pilot is expect to follow what has been said and if that doesnt happen Automatan redefines the situation and acts accordingly.
On final approach, if an aircraft that is observed to climb more than six hundred feet instead of the correct descent profile, it initiates the alarm. At this point contingency controller steps in an has the option to overide instructions to "X" amount of particular flights by typing in callsigns on a pc based system in the tower. This system works quite well, but like I said before, so some stranger reasons the software has bugs which is not getting MDI orders perfect yet.
If the Automatan issues the instruction " Falcon 487 Line UP 32 Left"...... and the pilot responds "I need 2 minutes more before departure" If the Automatan hasn't voice recognised the words "Line-UP" It issues the instruction "Falcon 487 Line UP 32 Left or Hold Position, say again message" The Automatan automatically selects loud speaker on the Contingency desk to which the CONTCON can input in the pc where the Falcon can rejoin the flow of traffic. It does work, especially when all pilots are aware of the automated system and standard phraseology is paramount.
No one has answered my question about whether jobs will be lost in England or whether people will be redeployed ?
Reggie
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It does work, especially when all pilots are aware of the automated system and standard phraseology is paramoun
If it's in the US, then I'm sure that S.Voight can do some background checks for us.
Incidentally .... NATS SDI (the people who pay for the development and procurement of new systems) know zip about the claims of this individual or the company allegedly involved. Looks like we have our own ATC version of the infamous Guvnor
Something smells incredibly fishy ... inevitable when there is a 'troller' involved I guess. We get plenty of them in the North Sea
