July 03 course to become Jan 04?
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MINIMUM REST IS BLUSHING!!!!!!!
FB, I'm SO embarrassed! Ok, you know me too well to believe that I'd blush OR be embarrassed 
but clearly you think I'm a typical female?! 
What typical female would offer to keep you for three months, eh!?
Sadly I can't say I'm surprised at your letter 45, hope you're not too down about it. Oh, and it's www.navcanada.ca
MR XxX
but clearly you think I'm a typical female?! What typical female would offer to keep you for three months, eh!?Sadly I can't say I'm surprised at your letter 45, hope you're not too down about it. Oh, and it's www.navcanada.ca
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I'm sure I could embarrass you if I tried, but I know you're not a typical female though!! I think the only other person who would offer to put me up for any length of time is my mum....and thats only cos she'd feel obliged to!!!
Seriously though, for anyone else who's going to be on the course with MR in Oct '03, she's an absolutely lovely young lady (who can cook apparently!!!
) so consider yourselves lucky!!
Has anyone else heard any news about anyone starting in Jan '04?? Assuming its not canx of course!!!
FB
I'm sure I could embarrass you if I tried, but I know you're not a typical female though!! I think the only other person who would offer to put me up for any length of time is my mum....and thats only cos she'd feel obliged to!!!
Seriously though, for anyone else who's going to be on the course with MR in Oct '03, she's an absolutely lovely young lady (who can cook apparently!!!
) so consider yourselves lucky!! Has anyone else heard any news about anyone starting in Jan '04?? Assuming its not canx of course!!!
FB
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Just a thought..............
When the recruitment/training dept. get back on their feet, and the back log of trainees is cleared, I presume NATS will still be short of ATCO's, if not more so than now? What with retirements, folk leaving, etc combined with a heavily reduced intake at the CATC, over what's now looking like being a two year period since new info was brought to light by 250kts.
My question is this - will future ATCO recruitment be at the same rate as previously (four courses per year) or will it be upped to cope with the demand? It seems that, if it is done at the same rate, the shortage will never be overcome but, if a higher number of courses are undertaken there may be a serious problem with training resources, etc.
Any thoughts?
MR XxX
Oh, FB, of course I accept your compliment, being the 'lovely young lady' that I apparently am
When the recruitment/training dept. get back on their feet, and the back log of trainees is cleared, I presume NATS will still be short of ATCO's, if not more so than now? What with retirements, folk leaving, etc combined with a heavily reduced intake at the CATC, over what's now looking like being a two year period since new info was brought to light by 250kts.
My question is this - will future ATCO recruitment be at the same rate as previously (four courses per year) or will it be upped to cope with the demand? It seems that, if it is done at the same rate, the shortage will never be overcome but, if a higher number of courses are undertaken there may be a serious problem with training resources, etc.
Any thoughts?
MR XxX
Oh, FB, of course I accept your compliment, being the 'lovely young lady' that I apparently am
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Start dates
March 04? Does that mean us "wannabes" can expect to be waiting for at least a year - assuming success in the 2nd round interviews after a recent "near miss".
Oh well, at least that leaves the prospect of a summer (or probably autumn/winter at this rate!) on the sandy beaches of Bournemouth!
Let's hope that none of us are ready for the "retirement castle" accomadation by the time we do descend on Bournemouth!
Oh well, at least that leaves the prospect of a summer (or probably autumn/winter at this rate!) on the sandy beaches of Bournemouth!
Let's hope that none of us are ready for the "retirement castle" accomadation by the time we do descend on Bournemouth!
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Even before all this reorganisation took place there appears to have been at least a 14 month lay over between the second interview and the commencement of the course. Not sure how this is all going to change, perhaps longer??!
Does that mean us "wannabes" can expect to be waiting for at least a year
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Sorry to hear that boney m BTW I PMed you a while back, did you get it?
I know the knock on effect of all this is a nightmare for all concerned, but keep smiling
, it will all be worth it, eventually!
MR XxX
BTW I PMed you a while back, did you get it?I know the knock on effect of all this is a nightmare for all concerned, but keep smiling
, it will all be worth it, eventually!MR XxX
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Some answers.
Please note, not as many as I, or you, would like, but the problem is a lack of decisions being made in NATS at a very high level. Here goes anyway.
Goidel/Wes
The delay between interview and course start depends purely on how many recruits are waiting. NATS has a fixed entry standard, and thus sometimes there are only a few awaiting courses, and so the wait is short. The College can only cope with a maximum course size of 36, and so divide the number of people awaiting a start by 36, and multiply by 3 months and you get the current delay. Cancelling intakes gives NATS a larger holding 'pool', and so the delay will be longer for the next couple of years. Sorry.
Minimum
There is a fair to middling chance that July will not be the only intake that doesn't happen, or is reduced to single figures. July 04 should see the NATS intake return to 36 per course, 4 courses per year. That date should see the start of the 'non-Aerodrome Rating' based Area Course, so be prepared all ye who are currently awaiting a start date, it may be over a year away. DO NOT HAND IN YOUR NOTICE YET!
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I know this sucks, and you all feel extremely pi**ed at NATS. If any or all of you take a punt at Eurocontrol, I would not be surprised. There is a valid reason for all this chopping of intakes etc, which I cannot really go into here. Don't be too hard on th people at recruitment, it's not them who are holding up teh decision process. They are kept as ill-informed as you all are. The upside is that the new course which you will all recieve will be shorter, and more focussed on what you need to do the job. That is, however, of little comfort to you all now, and for that I am truly sorry. [Well no-one else in the company seems to be apologising]
If you want to get started anyway, go to
http://www.caa.co.uk/publications/pu...ils.asp?id=222
which is the fabled MATS Part 1, the bible of all things ATC. Learn the contents of this document, and you are well ahead of the game before you ever see Bournemouth.
For those of you who still feel able to hang on until NATS opens the gates, I'll see you when you hit the coast. For those of you who are so hacked off you feel you should bail-out now, don't lose sight of what you want to do. Keep trying the 'other' ATC providers, and good luck. It's a great game.
Please note, not as many as I, or you, would like, but the problem is a lack of decisions being made in NATS at a very high level. Here goes anyway.
Goidel/Wes
The delay between interview and course start depends purely on how many recruits are waiting. NATS has a fixed entry standard, and thus sometimes there are only a few awaiting courses, and so the wait is short. The College can only cope with a maximum course size of 36, and so divide the number of people awaiting a start by 36, and multiply by 3 months and you get the current delay. Cancelling intakes gives NATS a larger holding 'pool', and so the delay will be longer for the next couple of years. Sorry.
Minimum
There is a fair to middling chance that July will not be the only intake that doesn't happen, or is reduced to single figures. July 04 should see the NATS intake return to 36 per course, 4 courses per year. That date should see the start of the 'non-Aerodrome Rating' based Area Course, so be prepared all ye who are currently awaiting a start date, it may be over a year away. DO NOT HAND IN YOUR NOTICE YET!
45
NavCanada will make you pay for your upkeep during training. Check them out via Google.
I know this sucks, and you all feel extremely pi**ed at NATS. If any or all of you take a punt at Eurocontrol, I would not be surprised. There is a valid reason for all this chopping of intakes etc, which I cannot really go into here. Don't be too hard on th people at recruitment, it's not them who are holding up teh decision process. They are kept as ill-informed as you all are. The upside is that the new course which you will all recieve will be shorter, and more focussed on what you need to do the job. That is, however, of little comfort to you all now, and for that I am truly sorry. [Well no-one else in the company seems to be apologising]
If you want to get started anyway, go to
http://www.caa.co.uk/publications/pu...ils.asp?id=222
which is the fabled MATS Part 1, the bible of all things ATC. Learn the contents of this document, and you are well ahead of the game before you ever see Bournemouth.
For those of you who still feel able to hang on until NATS opens the gates, I'll see you when you hit the coast. For those of you who are so hacked off you feel you should bail-out now, don't lose sight of what you want to do. Keep trying the 'other' ATC providers, and good luck. It's a great game.
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I was trying to send you a PM about this but it wouldn't let me so I was wondering if you could either send me an email or a PM or even post a reply here letting us know what the "valid reasons" you speak of are for chopping and changing the course intakes?
I've been rescheduled onto the Jan '04 course and am not going to jump ship to eurocontrol or change my mind about ATC altogether, but am just curious as to your reply as it sounded as if there was more going on than has been discussed here, and I was wondering if it was going to affect those of us who have been given new course dates?!?
I'm not that annoyed at NATS for the length of time involved (although I know that some people are!! ) as its got to be for our benefit in the long run, but it would be a bit annoying if they were to shift the goalposts again nearer the time!!
Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
FB
I was trying to send you a PM about this but it wouldn't let me so I was wondering if you could either send me an email or a PM or even post a reply here letting us know what the "valid reasons" you speak of are for chopping and changing the course intakes?
I've been rescheduled onto the Jan '04 course and am not going to jump ship to eurocontrol or change my mind about ATC altogether, but am just curious as to your reply as it sounded as if there was more going on than has been discussed here, and I was wondering if it was going to affect those of us who have been given new course dates?!?
I'm not that annoyed at NATS for the length of time involved (although I know that some people are!!
) as its got to be for our benefit in the long run, but it would be a bit annoying if they were to shift the goalposts again nearer the time!! Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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So, I just thought I'd log on here to see what was going on as I've heard nothing from NATS for months, now I've just learnt that FB's taken my place on the Jan '04 course!!! And I heard the south coast is lovely in January. My medical certificate will run out before I get anywhere south of Salisbury. What the ....
This is very distressing. I too am in a god awful job that I though I'd be leaving in Dec.
While some can jump to Eurocontrol etc, some of us have major commitments in the UK so are unable to do anything like that.
Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue
This is very distressing. I too am in a god awful job that I though I'd be leaving in Dec.
While some can jump to Eurocontrol etc, some of us have major commitments in the UK so are unable to do anything like that.
Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue
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I'm a little confused..............
You're saying, Dances with Boffins, that the new course won't be til Jul 04 - I thought that Jul 03 was canx and Oct 03 was reduced intake because the new course was to start Oct 03????
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You're saying, Dances with Boffins, that the new course won't be til Jul 04 - I thought that Jul 03 was canx and Oct 03 was reduced intake because the new course was to start Oct 03????
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july to october
i found out today that i have been put back from julky to october, and its the best thing i've heard since S CLUB broke up.
now i actually get to go my uni graduation at the end of july and i get the whole summer riding around on free VS tickets being a complete drunken arse, a complete bum and clutching on to my NUS card for a little longer, sleeping on the beach and getting wasted.
im off to the south of france for an animation festival at the start of june, and you know what?????? i aint coming back untill the course starts.
sorry to all those in 'dead end' jobs who sound utterly p****d off about having to wait any longer, but im so happy i could make pancakes
well adios amigos and i will see you in october ...........if i survive the summer.
TONY 21
now i actually get to go my uni graduation at the end of july and i get the whole summer riding around on free VS tickets being a complete drunken arse, a complete bum and clutching on to my NUS card for a little longer, sleeping on the beach and getting wasted.
im off to the south of france for an animation festival at the start of june, and you know what?????? i aint coming back untill the course starts.
sorry to all those in 'dead end' jobs who sound utterly p****d off about having to wait any longer, but im so happy i could make pancakes
well adios amigos and i will see you in october ...........if i survive the summer.
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Further to Dances' reading list, I can also suggest the Air Navigation Order. A thrilling read which makes up quite a lot of the first three months at the college. Full of legal jargon which is difficult to learn. START NOW!
I admire all of you for waiting so long and hope that you all will start at CATC (or whatever it's called now) soon.
Carbide
I admire all of you for waiting so long and hope that you all will start at CATC (or whatever it's called now) soon.
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I know this thread is probably well and truly closed by now,but I just got back from holidays last night to some lovely news from NATS....yep,been moved from Oct03 to Mar04.
Having a had a thoroughly unpleasant journey home yesterday,which included a 4.5 hr delay,most of it spent in Havana airport,I got home to the usual mountain of bills and this little gem.A bit devastated,but I'm sticking with it...so I'll see you guys (Boney M,45 before POL etc) next year.I'm going back to bed now having been up for 35hrs straight (will this stand me in good stead for ATC shift patterns?)........
777
P.S. Cuba is fantastic,Air Jamaica are not.
Having a had a thoroughly unpleasant journey home yesterday,which included a 4.5 hr delay,most of it spent in Havana airport,I got home to the usual mountain of bills and this little gem.A bit devastated,but I'm sticking with it...so I'll see you guys (Boney M,45 before POL etc) next year.I'm going back to bed now having been up for 35hrs straight (will this stand me in good stead for ATC shift patterns?)........
777
P.S. Cuba is fantastic,Air Jamaica are not.
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I'm very sorry to hear that more of you are being delayed even further. I started last month and have to admit I have heard nothing about these delays.
Our course has got 28 (incl 3 sponsored ATSAs) and we were assuming that the October course was of a similar size, but not too sure now. It is going to be very quiet when my course starts Aerodrome 2, and there is no ADC 1.
Our course has got 28 (incl 3 sponsored ATSAs) and we were assuming that the October course was of a similar size, but not too sure now. It is going to be very quiet when my course starts Aerodrome 2, and there is no ADC 1.