How many PANs make an Urgency?
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How many PANs make an Urgency?
Cough, splutter...rough running engine (for example)...is it
PAN PAN PAN or
PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN or
PAN PAN PAN, PAN PAN PAN, PAN PAN PAN.
Question two is "are there any non UK controllers that know what the h*ll we are talking about"?
PAN PAN PAN or
PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN or
PAN PAN PAN, PAN PAN PAN, PAN PAN PAN.
Question two is "are there any non UK controllers that know what the h*ll we are talking about"?
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I think for me it would be "cough, splutter, rough running engine":
MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY.
However, for urgency messages both the UK AIP and CAP 413 say PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN.
If I remember correctly from my seafaring days the GMDSS/ITU documents say the same - so I assume that must be a worldwide standard.
MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY.
However, for urgency messages both the UK AIP and CAP 413 say PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN.
If I remember correctly from my seafaring days the GMDSS/ITU documents say the same - so I assume that must be a worldwide standard.
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Sorry GoneWest, I didn't realise it was a serious answers wanted!
The UK R/T book (CAP 413) says
As far as I know the only difference from ICAO is that described in the Note. If your question is in preparation for the ATPL exams I believe that these are set against ICAO Standards. I think it's Annex 10 you need for the definitive answer.
The UK R/T book (CAP 413) says
5.1 The emergency message shall contain the following information (time and circumstance permitting) and, whenever possible, should be passed in the order given:
a) ‘MAYDAY/MAYDAY/MAYDAY' (or ‘PAN PAN/PAN PAN/PAN PAN');
b) Name of the station addressed (when appropriate and time and circumstances permitting);
c) Callsign;
d) Type of aircraft;
e) Nature of the emergency;
f) Intention of the person-in-command;
g) Present or last known position, flight level/altitude and heading;
h) Pilot qualifications (See Note 1), viz:
i) Student pilots;
ii) No Instrument Qualification;
iii) IMC Rating;
iv) Full Instrument Rating.
i) Any other useful information e.g. endurance remaining, number of people on board (POB) etc.
NOTES:
1 There is no ICAO requirement to include pilot qualifications in a distress message. However, this information should be included whenever possible in UK emergency messages as it may help the controller to plan a course of action best suited to the pilot's ability.
a) ‘MAYDAY/MAYDAY/MAYDAY' (or ‘PAN PAN/PAN PAN/PAN PAN');
b) Name of the station addressed (when appropriate and time and circumstances permitting);
c) Callsign;
d) Type of aircraft;
e) Nature of the emergency;
f) Intention of the person-in-command;
g) Present or last known position, flight level/altitude and heading;
h) Pilot qualifications (See Note 1), viz:
i) Student pilots;
ii) No Instrument Qualification;
iii) IMC Rating;
iv) Full Instrument Rating.
i) Any other useful information e.g. endurance remaining, number of people on board (POB) etc.
NOTES:
1 There is no ICAO requirement to include pilot qualifications in a distress message. However, this information should be included whenever possible in UK emergency messages as it may help the controller to plan a course of action best suited to the pilot's ability.
