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Old 14th May 2024, 22:07
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ATC Weather Radar.

Why, unlike the USA, Israel, and others, does the UK not afford weather radar? It would be a greener and safer solution to weather risks, but nobody seems to support this important safety facet. Answers please.
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I've no idea on the official reason, but at a guess it's because planes have weather radar, and pilots are best placed to make a judgement about what's ahead of them. Different airlines, different aircraft and different pilots all have their own idea of what is and isn't acceptable to them, so why would you try and dictate to them without knowing what any of these things are? One scenario I had, three planes departed on the same SID 2 minutes apart on a day of heavy weather avoiding: the first plane goes hard right for 20 miles, the second goes hard left for 10 miles, and the last one doesn't deviate at all and seemed surprised to even be asked.

Given the weather in the UK, if ATC tried to guess based on a weather radar, there'd probably be a lot of days where the radar lit up the entire sky. If planes were then vectored to a completely different side of the British Isles to avoid it, and it turns out it actually looked fine to them from the cockpit, how is that greener?

While I'm sure some must've happened, I'm not aware of a glut of wx-related incidents within UK airspace. Got any context for why you think this is suddenly a safety issue?
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Originally Posted by MissChief
Why, unlike the USA, Israel, and others, does the UK not afford weather radar? It would be a greener and safer solution to weather risks, but nobody seems to support this important safety facet. Answers please.
What risks are you referring to?

Im no longer current but Id echo 😉 the thoughts of Request Orbit.

Airliners have their own weather radar and so are able to pick their own preferred way around the bad stuff (with ATC assistance). Also weather avoidance is a 3D problem and a crew looking at their radar picture might be in a better position to quickly assess the weather effecting flight at their level than a controller working multiple aircraft at different levels.
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Why, unlike the USA, Israel, and others, does the UK not afford weather radar? It would be a greener and safer solution to weather risks, but nobody seems to support this important safety facet. Answers please.
You seem to have a particular opinion and agenda

It would perhaps be helpful if you explained to us why you feel so strongly about this issue.

I have no idea where you get the idea that it would be greener.

I echo the sentiments of other here - weather avoidance is the responsibility of the aircrew not the controller.
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And why is this in 'Rumours & News'?!
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Weather radar in the places I have have worked is only used tactically as most feeds are at least 15min old when we get it!

In the olden days with un-processed radar you could always cut off the suppression and get a raw primary picture which depending on the radar was great and very accurate!
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Originally Posted by MissChief
Why, unlike the USA, Israel, and others, does the UK not afford weather radar? It would be a greener and safer solution to weather risks, but nobody seems to support this important safety facet. Answers please.
I don't know what you mean, when you say there no wx RADAR in the UK? As Alfaman's link shows "Our current network consists of 15 operational weather radars across the UK". I remember it being installed in the early 1990s, with a RADAR head north of Aberdeen.

Additionally, satellite based imagery is probably the future anyway.
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Odd and out-of-place messages about 'safety' placed where a particular person is likely to see them are sometimes used to convey a message of sorts. A type of cyber-bullying, if you will.

I have no idea whether or not this is the case in this instance.

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There's a weather radar at Martins Top, which was originally the site of a ROTOR GCI station in the '50s situated near but not connected to the present NATS en route radar just south of Bovingdon.
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any modern radar is capable of detecting and sending weather picture in Asterix 10 format...the picture is not that detailed as dedicated wx radar, but good enough.
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