Gloucester or Swanwick?
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Gloucester or Swanwick?
Hi guys!
Recently passed stage 3 assessment for NATS and been offered a choice between 2 course - 1 at Swanwick and 1 in Gloucester. Now I had no idea that they had a site in Gloucester so did not realise that this would be a decision to make. They were pretty vague about it on the phone so my question is, is there a real difference or is it the same experience course wise then you go off on operational anyway?
I've been told Gloucester is more Terminal Controller based whereas Swanwick is Area Controller - will going to Gloucester rule me out from ever doing area? And vice versa? Again, I thought the decision of which Controller I became was also down to them but it seems they gave me the choice? I need to let them know by tomorrow and I'm a little overwhelmed just by being told I had landed (pardon the pun) the role in the first place!
Any advice between the two would be greatly appreciated!!
Recently passed stage 3 assessment for NATS and been offered a choice between 2 course - 1 at Swanwick and 1 in Gloucester. Now I had no idea that they had a site in Gloucester so did not realise that this would be a decision to make. They were pretty vague about it on the phone so my question is, is there a real difference or is it the same experience course wise then you go off on operational anyway?
I've been told Gloucester is more Terminal Controller based whereas Swanwick is Area Controller - will going to Gloucester rule me out from ever doing area? And vice versa? Again, I thought the decision of which Controller I became was also down to them but it seems they gave me the choice? I need to let them know by tomorrow and I'm a little overwhelmed just by being told I had landed (pardon the pun) the role in the first place!
Any advice between the two would be greatly appreciated!!
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Swanwick (CTC?) - NATS in-house training. Likely an Area course leading to a job at either Swanwick or Prestwick, but some Airport courses as well. Could be either.
Gloucester - Contracted out Airport training with Global ATS. Definitely Airport (or maybe TC) but zero chance of Area.
If you definitely want Area, take Swanwick. If you definitely want Airports, take Gloucester.
Gloucester - Contracted out Airport training with Global ATS. Definitely Airport (or maybe TC) but zero chance of Area.
If you definitely want Area, take Swanwick. If you definitely want Airports, take Gloucester.
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My understanding is that Gloucester only do Aerodrome and Approach Surveillance ratings. So Gloucester provide NATS with controllers who will end up working at airports and at Terminal Control at Swanwick, specifically the Approach positions for the various airports in the SE that do not provide their own Approach function from positions in thr tower building (LHR, LGW, LCY, STN, LTN).
Most of NATS' own training at Whiteley (near Swanwick) is for Area, so controllers with that rating will end up working at Prestwick or Swanwick (Area Control) and the non-Approach sectors at Terminal Control. I know there was a period where NATS only trained Area, but that may have changed by now.
Moving from one discipline to another is very rare now. I wouldn't choose your preference based on an assumed ability to move later in your career.
Most of NATS' own training at Whiteley (near Swanwick) is for Area, so controllers with that rating will end up working at Prestwick or Swanwick (Area Control) and the non-Approach sectors at Terminal Control. I know there was a period where NATS only trained Area, but that may have changed by now.
Moving from one discipline to another is very rare now. I wouldn't choose your preference based on an assumed ability to move later in your career.
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Congratulations!
Unless you have a particular urge to do area, I would suggest Gloucester as it appears more likely to be aimed at aerodrome and approach work. Every individual is different, of course, but I find centres boring, and having aerodrome ratings offers many more options should life mean that life outside NATS appeals
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Unless you have a particular urge to do area, I would suggest Gloucester as it appears more likely to be aimed at aerodrome and approach work. Every individual is different, of course, but I find centres boring, and having aerodrome ratings offers many more options should life mean that life outside NATS appeals
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Excuse a long retired Old Fart having the temerity to voice his opinion. I did both Area at LATCC and Aerodrome/Approach in my time. I thought working in an ATC Centre was the Air Traffic equivalent of working in a factory. At airfields I felt closer to aviation - back in the day, depending on the airfield, you could get to meet all sorts of people outside ATC and wander round terminals etc. I guess since 9/11 security measures would have put paid to that. As Equivocal says, airfield qualification means you can change employer if you so wish - in my time places such as Newcastle, Jersey and East Midlands etc were considered good places to work.
However, my son who is an ATCO at Swanwick wouldn't work anywhere else.
However, my son who is an ATCO at Swanwick wouldn't work anywhere else.
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Hi guys!
Recently passed stage 3 assessment for NATS and been offered a choice between 2 course - 1 at Swanwick and 1 in Gloucester. Now I had no idea that they had a site in Gloucester so did not realise that this would be a decision to make. They were pretty vague about it on the phone so my question is, is there a real difference or is it the same experience course wise then you go off on operational anyway?
I've been told Gloucester is more Terminal Controller based whereas Swanwick is Area Controller - will going to Gloucester rule me out from ever doing area? And vice versa? Again, I thought the decision of which Controller I became was also down to them but it seems they gave me the choice? I need to let them know by tomorrow and I'm a little overwhelmed just by being told I had landed (pardon the pun) the role in the first place!
Any advice between the two would be greatly appreciated!!
Recently passed stage 3 assessment for NATS and been offered a choice between 2 course - 1 at Swanwick and 1 in Gloucester. Now I had no idea that they had a site in Gloucester so did not realise that this would be a decision to make. They were pretty vague about it on the phone so my question is, is there a real difference or is it the same experience course wise then you go off on operational anyway?
I've been told Gloucester is more Terminal Controller based whereas Swanwick is Area Controller - will going to Gloucester rule me out from ever doing area? And vice versa? Again, I thought the decision of which Controller I became was also down to them but it seems they gave me the choice? I need to let them know by tomorrow and I'm a little overwhelmed just by being told I had landed (pardon the pun) the role in the first place!
Any advice between the two would be greatly appreciated!!
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During the third year, the course manager asked me what my preference was for final posting; I said a JATCRU preferably Lindholme and instead was offered either Heathrow as first choice or Farnborough as second choice so I plumped for Farnborough where I was still able to to Area Radar as well as approach radar and tower.
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Like others have said, training at Whiteley, CTC, will not guarantee you're doing an area course, but going to Gloucester will guarantee you're not doing an area course.
It depends how important it is where you spend your career - doing area will mean you can only work at Swanwick or Prestwick and only for NATS too as no one else does area control in the country. An aerodrome only rating means you'll be working at one of the London airports as they're the only ones that are tower only, I think and of those London City is at Swanwick as well. Doing aerodrome and approach means you'll be sent to wherever you're needed after finishing the college - that's based on business need and your preference might or might not be taken into account and that can range from Southampton to Aberdeen and lots of places in-between. However, Aerodrome and/or approach does mean you can take your validations elsewhere if you want to as there are plenty of non NATS airfields around the country.
It depends how important it is where you spend your career - doing area will mean you can only work at Swanwick or Prestwick and only for NATS too as no one else does area control in the country. An aerodrome only rating means you'll be working at one of the London airports as they're the only ones that are tower only, I think and of those London City is at Swanwick as well. Doing aerodrome and approach means you'll be sent to wherever you're needed after finishing the college - that's based on business need and your preference might or might not be taken into account and that can range from Southampton to Aberdeen and lots of places in-between. However, Aerodrome and/or approach does mean you can take your validations elsewhere if you want to as there are plenty of non NATS airfields around the country.
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Don't touch Global ATS!! What a shower of sh****te. Completed courses here, same old bull**** years over - terrible rostering/timetabling/course content (DEATH by ppt) /instructors are...soooooo old (not seen a radar or tower in yrs) & I've heard they're at the hand of the CAA inspector...who nepotistically used to be CI there. Also, where you're finally placed will be banded around the instructor office discussing your personal life and what they think of you....
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ATC is an interesting job, so I would expect you'd enjoy and find it rewarding whichever path you went down, be it airports (if trained at Gloucester) or en-route centres (if trained at CTC near Swanwick).
It might be better to ask yourself where you'd prefer to end up working, at an en-route centre with hundreds of colleagues, or at an airport where you might be at Heathrow with 60 other controllers, or a smaller airport where you might have 20 or even fewer colleagues. Where in the country do you want to work? If en-route ATC, then you'll be working at Swanwick or Prestwick. NATS of course has airport units all over the UK (and Gibraltar!). If you like being 'around' aviation, then you might prefer working at an airport. If that's not so important, en-route has less variation in progression up the salary scale than the airports (which are divided up into salary bands).
While I would have loved to control radar, I would not have wanted to give up working Tower at a busy airport to do so.
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It's a difficult question to answer.
ATC is an interesting job, so I would expect you'd enjoy and find it rewarding whichever path you went down, be it airports (if trained at Gloucester) or en-route centres (if trained at CTC near Swanwick).
It might be better to ask yourself where you'd prefer to end up working, at an en-route centre with hundreds of colleagues, or at an airport where you might be at Heathrow with 60 other controllers, or a smaller airport where you might have 20 or even fewer colleagues. Where in the country do you want to work? If en-route ATC, then you'll be working at Swanwick or Prestwick. NATS of course has airport units all over the UK (and Gibraltar!). If you like being 'around' aviation, then you might prefer working at an airport. If that's not so important, en-route has less variation in progression up the salary scale than the airports (which are divided up into salary bands).
While I would have loved to control radar, I would not have wanted to give up working Tower at a busy airport to do so.
ATC is an interesting job, so I would expect you'd enjoy and find it rewarding whichever path you went down, be it airports (if trained at Gloucester) or en-route centres (if trained at CTC near Swanwick).
It might be better to ask yourself where you'd prefer to end up working, at an en-route centre with hundreds of colleagues, or at an airport where you might be at Heathrow with 60 other controllers, or a smaller airport where you might have 20 or even fewer colleagues. Where in the country do you want to work? If en-route ATC, then you'll be working at Swanwick or Prestwick. NATS of course has airport units all over the UK (and Gibraltar!). If you like being 'around' aviation, then you might prefer working at an airport. If that's not so important, en-route has less variation in progression up the salary scale than the airports (which are divided up into salary bands).
While I would have loved to control radar, I would not have wanted to give up working Tower at a busy airport to do so.
For salary and progression tower is better?
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No. Sorry, I wasn't clear.
NATS units are classified into salary bands, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Prestwick is band 4, Swanwick is 5, airports can be 1-5, and there may even be a band 0 too, below 1.
If money is your primary concern though, I'd question as to whether ATC is a good choice.
NATS units are classified into salary bands, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Prestwick is band 4, Swanwick is 5, airports can be 1-5, and there may even be a band 0 too, below 1.
If money is your primary concern though, I'd question as to whether ATC is a good choice.
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No. Sorry, I wasn't clear.
NATS units are classified into salary bands, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Prestwick is band 4, Swanwick is 5, airports can be 1-5, and there may even be a band 0 too, below 1.
If money is your primary concern though, I'd question as to whether ATC is a good choice.
NATS units are classified into salary bands, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Prestwick is band 4, Swanwick is 5, airports can be 1-5, and there may even be a band 0 too, below 1.
If money is your primary concern though, I'd question as to whether ATC is a good choice.
Asking based on progression not just money … do we get opportunities to apply for different roles within and how interesting both roles will be working in Area or Traffic at Gloucester
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The overwhelming majority picked it due to the potential earning power. Most didn’t have the first clue about aviation (myself included). Those of us that are now valid developed an interest and passion over time. But when things got hard the money was what kept me in it anyway.
