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Old 15th May 2022, 09:03
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Why does a small aerodrome as Redhill need ATC? Is the traffic level that high or complex? Itís in the LGW CTR but could this not be effectively managed with a LOA and AIP published operating procedures?
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Old 15th May 2022, 11:51
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Why does a small aerodrome as Redhill need ATC? Is the traffic level that high or complex?
'Cos the CAA said they had to same as they did at Wycombe.
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Old 15th May 2022, 12:11
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[QUOTE=chevvron;11230473]Most likely Redhill; maybe but probably wrong, the current staffing at Gatwick is, well letís use the term interesting!!
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Old 15th May 2022, 12:22
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'Cos the CAA said they had to same as they did at Wycombe.
Now is the time to challenge it and get SARG to justify their reasoning/logic? From recent experience with SARG this could be an interesting exercise with a justifiable response not forthcoming.

How come White Waltham get away with a LFA and A/G within the LHR CTR?

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Old 15th May 2022, 13:30
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Most likely Redhill; maybe but probably wrong, the current staffing at Gatwick is, well letís use the term interesting!!
ANS are thinking of bidding for ATC services at a remote location ie remote tower etc but I can't tell you where.
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Old 15th May 2022, 13:43
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN View Post
Now is the time to challenge it and get SARG to justify their reasoning/logic? From recent experience with SARG this could be an interesting exercise with a justifiable response not forthcoming.

How come White Waltham get away with a LFA and A/G within the LHR CTR?
SARG are entitled to require any level of service to be provided at any location (it's written in CAP 670); I don't know what criteria they apply but when I suggested a 'relaxation' of their rules to allow a form of 'land after' at a sometimes busy FISO location providing certain criteria were satisfied (so as to allow more flexible use of runway occupancy rather than have an unnecessary go around), I was told 'if your airfield is that busy, maybe we should look at upgrading you to ATC'.
So I shut up.
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Old 15th May 2022, 14:15
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
ÖÖÖ..I don't know what criteria they apply but when I suggested a 'relaxation' of their rules to allow a form of 'land after' at a sometimes busy FISO location providing certain criteria were satisfied (so as to allow more flexible use of runway occupancy rather than have an unnecessary go around), I was told 'if your airfield is that busy, maybe we should look at upgrading you to ATC'.
So I shut up.
Think that sums up what we now have to deal with, ie the level of expertise/experience that is prevalent in SARG plus the low staff levels whereby they invariably just do not have time to get into discussions to improve day to day service provision.

We in the industry are expected to adopt a continuous improvement culture, from what I see it is rarely evident in SARG unless they are pushed or forced into it.

While not having a 100% success rate Iíve experienced far more wins than losses when challenging what was ďThe AuthorityĒ, either directly or indirectly.

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Old 15th May 2022, 14:42
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ANS are thinking of bidding for ATC services at a remote location ie remote tower etc but I can't tell you where.
however ANS donít have the Gatwick contract anymore!!
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Old 15th May 2022, 16:17
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however ANS donít have the Gatwick contract anymore!!
Sorry I'm a bit out of touch; I'm still marvelling at NATS getting the contract for St Athan, so who's got it now then?
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Old 15th May 2022, 17:22
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Sorry I'm a bit out of touch; I'm still marvelling at NATS getting the contract for St Athan, so who's got it now then?
ANS until October, then NATS are back! Meet the new bossÖsame as the old bossÖ
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Old 15th May 2022, 17:56
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Instructor job going with Micronav (ATC simulator supplier) in Bournemouth. Sounds like an interesting job in a nice part of the country

https://www.micronav.co.uk/job-vacancies/instructor/
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Old 15th May 2022, 18:19
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ANS until October, then NATS are back! Meet the new bossÖsame as the old bossÖ
Well its not actually NATS, but the subsidiary company NATS SOLUTIONS. Different T&Cís. Hence students at the college canít be posted, but have to be ask if they are happy to leave NATS. (For the record, they werenít ).

the staffing shortfall continues.
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Old 15th May 2022, 18:54
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SERCO looking for ATCOs for Dubai DXB (Tower) and Dubai DWC (Approach)

https://careers.serco.com/ME/job/Dub...uba/517938202/

https://careers.serco.com/ME/job/Dub...uba/517938302/
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Old 15th May 2022, 21:02
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Originally Posted by therocketscientist View Post
Just wanted to say thank you for the new thread and the research. I believe the old thread is still lurking there somewhere however after a period of inactivity it gets buried and it's not that easy to bring it back up.
No problem at all 🙂


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Old 16th May 2022, 20:50
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Now is the time to challenge it and get SARG to justify their reasoning/logic? From recent experience with SARG this could be an interesting exercise with a justifiable response not forthcoming.

How come White Waltham get away with a LFA and A/G within the LHR CTR?
Slight thread drift but maybe of interest to some...

Some years ago - probably 20+ now - CAA SRG did research to try to determine metrics for where different levels of ATS were appropriate. They spent quite a lot of money with some external company as I recall, and the results were of little use, mainly because whatever the quantitative results that might be generated by the by the algorithms were said to have huge error bounds because of the variability of the subject. After that, there was some work done internally, using some of the ideas from the external study (perhaps to justify its cost), on an Excel spreadsheet - taking some of the variables such as total movements, busiest day, busiest hour, complexity (number of runways and taxiways), proximity of local airports and others which escape me after all this time - and applying factors to each element to try to rank all UK airports (above a certain size) to see whether there were any outliers in the data, unexpected FIS units amongst all the ATC units, for example. Again, not much of value came of it. Ultimately, the conclusion was that professional judgement was the best approach....although the judgement was to be that of the CAA inspectors - whether these were the best professionals I'll leave to you to decide.

All of this work was done around the time that formal requirements were being introduced for ATC, and to a lesser extent, FIS units - in reality, the work was driven by the introduction of these rules in order to justify their introduction - which made running either ATC or FIS a lot more involved (and arguably while offering no tangible benefits) and, certainly for smaller airports, way more expensive.
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Old 17th May 2022, 11:26
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ATC instructor job in Saudi with BAE. Accommodation, expat package etc.

https://baesystems.taleo.net/careers...urope%2FLondon
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Old 17th May 2022, 14:33
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SERCO looking for a dual rated (ADI/APS) ATCO for Hawarden

https://careers.serco.com/UK/job/Bro...0DR/747218102/
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Old 18th May 2022, 08:19
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I understand that Bahrain ACC is hiring. Does anybody have a contact email address?
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Old 18th May 2022, 09:24
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Any contacts in the ME for Tower jobs would be greatly appreciated if it could be sent via PM.

Does anybody have general package ideas for Hamad, AUH, DWC, Bahrain, DXB etc?

FSP
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Old 18th May 2022, 12:55
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucepan View Post
Any contacts in the ME for Tower jobs would be greatly appreciated if it could be sent via PM.

Does anybody have general package ideas for Hamad, AUH, DWC, Bahrain, DXB etc?

FSP
I Would be quite interested to know too for DXB as well as what form the APC takes these days if anyone has any info.
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