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Barcelona "land after"

Old 4th Nov 2019, 18:26
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Barcelona "land after"

See attached. Maybe not too unusual, but I thought it was a little tight. Shot taken at LEBL a couple of weeks ago. Seemed similar to the EZY flight that featured in the AAIB report recently.

EI-EPC was the Ryanair lander R-L, N844MH was the departing flight, time was 11:14 UTC, 23 October.

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Old 4th Nov 2019, 19:03
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FR24 suggests that the Delta started to roll about 40 seconds before the RYR was over the numbers.
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 19:20
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What is wrong with that? To me it looks safe, orderly and expeditious...
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 19:40
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Wonder if the tower controller was ex-Gatwick or Stansted? Looks like maximum runway utilisation to me.

I have faith that if it wasnít an appropriate situation, the tower controller would have used all available tools to take required corrective action.
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As a retired ATCO with 37 years under my belt, Iíve seen them a lot tighter than that. Looked OK to me. Thatís what expedition is all about.
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Get Checker on in that space.......
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'Expect late landing clearance' plus if necessary 'reduce to minimum safe approach speed'.
Having said that, don't Barcelona normally use 25R for landers and 25L for departures; seems to me they're both using 25R?
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chevvron or alternatively: "Please maintain 180 until advised" followed by "you are too fast, the preceding is 2,5 miles G/S less by 60 knots" three minutes later (with the unspoken but strong tone, why are YOU causing this mess).

I know, not landing after departure, but it was the same runway. Hopefully, the times have changed.
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chevvron or alternatively: "Please maintain 180 until advised" followed by "you are too fast, the preceding is 2,5 miles G/S less by 60 knots" three minutes later (with the unspoken but strong tone, why are YOU causing this mess).

I know, not landing after departure, but it was the same runway. Hopefully, the times have changed.
180 is a bit fast in my experience; more like 160 or less until 4 nm.
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
Having said that, don't Barcelona normally use 25R for landers and 25L for departures; seems to me they're both using 25R?
That was the case on the morning in question: arrivals on 25R and departures on 25L, apart from the departing Delta which was fitted in towards the end of a gap of approximately 3:45 between the landing RYR on 25R and a preceding LOT 737 arrival.
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
180 is a bit fast in my experience; more like 160 or less until 4 nm.
Agree, most don't like flying that fast anymore... they are were aware of unstabilized approaches nowadays...

For the picture, the "reduced runway separation" they use here is definately safe, and expeditious, where I work...
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
180 is a bit fast in my experience; more like 160 or less until 4 nm.
Guess you havenít done a jump seat ride to Spain in a while then! logical sequencing and 160/4 is expected everywhere other than with our Mediterranean colleagues.
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Not even on the runway at the same time. That doesn't count as remotely close on any single runway at a busy international airport worth its salt.
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I never said they asked for that all the way to 4 miles or nearly close.
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Guess you havenít done a jump seat ride to Spain in a while then! logical sequencing and 160/4 is expected everywhere other than with our Mediterranean colleagues.
Not since Sep 2001 unfortunately.
I did fly to Barcelona as SLF (to watch Lionel Messi play at the Camp Nou) in 2012 and at about 1 mile final we did a go-around (Easyjet); no excuse or explanation from the captain; maybe the other passengers didn't notice anything unusual!
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