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Visa for UK NATS

Old 4th Apr 2018, 18:17
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Visa for UK NATS

I want to become an ATC trainee to proceed to work in the sphere but the list of documents required to apply to NATS includes a work permit, which I am unable to receive until my employer confirms that he wants to employ me, which he cannot do until I successfully pass the third stage of the test. So how does NATS work this out for foreigners? Are they just denied to enter?
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 09:51
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Best people to ask would be NATS HR I would suggest.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 14:02
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Originally Posted by mihotep View Post
I want to become an ATC trainee to proceed to work in the sphere but the list of documents required to apply to NATS includes a work permit, which I am unable to receive until my employer confirms that he wants to employ me, which he cannot do until I successfully pass the third stage of the test. So how does NATS work this out for foreigners? Are they just denied to enter?
Yes, unfortunately.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 14:42
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I can't find it now but the FAQ used to say that NATS were unable to sponsor visas for applicants. You needed the right to live and work in the UK permanently before applying. NATS HR however are the ones to ask about this for a final answer, but I would expect you can't apply until you have the right to work in the UK.

What this does to EU citizen applications at the moment I don't know, before obviously that wasn't an issue but with brexit on the horizon this might change.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 16:15
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NATS already employs(ed) a Russian ATCO; we were offered him at Farnborough once about 15 years ago but I think the security people decided it wouldn't be a good idea.
I think he came to NATS already qualified though, not as a trainee.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 17:16
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Too bad then, but thanks for replying guys
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 17:38
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
about 15 years ago
Therein lies the problem.

Most good things in ATC happened some vast-amount-of-time-or-more, ago.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 15:07
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
NATS already employs(ed) a Russian ATCO; we were offered him at Farnborough once about 15 years ago but I think the security people decided it wouldn't be a good idea.
I think he came to NATS already qualified though, not as a trainee.
and I imagine he would already have had the right to reside in the UK.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 09:30
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I worked with a Russian ATCO at Liverpool about 30 years ago - ex fighter jock & very good at ATC. Used to surprise the crews of the Antonov freighters when he started chatting to them in their own lingo ! I believe he became an instructor.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Eric T Cartman View Post
I worked with a Russian ATCO at Liverpool about 30 years ago - ex fighter jock & very good at ATC. Used to surprise the crews of the Antonov freighters when he started chatting to them in their own lingo ! I believe he became an instructor.
Val Sal?!.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 12:29
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@ Packer27L
Yes, that's correct :-)
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 12:52
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Legend!!..
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 12:59
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Who, him or me ? ;-)
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 16:40
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I asked NATS this exact question regarding Brexit, even though I'm an EU citizen so I have the permit to work in the UK when I applied and even do now. I just got the answer that I had to be eligible to work in the UK at the time of application.

I don't think they really know yet how to tackle the whole Brexit situation. I'm up for my Stage 3 in a few weeks.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Eric T Cartman View Post
I worked with a Russian ATCO at Liverpool about 30 years ago - ex fighter jock & very good at ATC. Used to surprise the crews of the Antonov freighters when he started chatting to them in their own lingo ! I believe he became an instructor.
That could be the one; I think Liverpool was mentioned in his application.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 18:31
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Originally Posted by Timpsi View Post
I asked NATS this exact question regarding Brexit, even though I'm an EU citizen so I have the permit to work in the UK when I applied and even do now. I just got the answer that I had to be eligible to work in the UK at the time of application.

I don't think they really know yet how to tackle the whole Brexit situation. I'm up for my Stage 3 in a few weeks.
This is kind of rude. I wish I could pursue the career. On the other note, maybe I should write to the FCO to give me a one-day permit to work in the UK and apply at this exact day, hahaha. GL on your stage 3!
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 20:41
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Originally Posted by Eric T Cartman View Post
Who, him or me ? ;-)
Well if the ushanka fits......!!!
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 23:45
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Originally Posted by mihotep View Post
This is kind of rude. I wish I could pursue the career. On the other note, maybe I should write to the FCO to give me a one-day permit to work in the UK and apply at this exact day, hahaha. GL on your stage 3!
I know you are joking, but I inquired about this "temporary" option in order to apply about 5 years ago. Was told "NO" in no uncertain terms...even though I offered to sign whatever piece of paper they wanted, staying I'd be out of the country as quickly as they demanded, should I not succeed at any one stage of the testing

The logic of ANSPs seems to be the same! They want people, but can't seem to understand some basic concepts about actually attracting them the right way.
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 07:22
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Wow, Mr. M2A. Just wow. You tried though.
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