Wake Turbulence Separation between VFR & IFR
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Wake Turbulence Separation between VFR & IFR
Is there a wake turbulence separation between a flying heavy VFR aircraft and a following medium IFR aircraft let us say in airspace class D? (where there is no standard separation between them just traffic information).
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IFR aircraft have to be separated from wake turbulence.
It doesn't matter the flight rules of the aircraft generating the wake, if the following aircraft is IFR, a wake turbulence standard of some sort needs to be in place.
It doesn't matter the flight rules of the aircraft generating the wake, if the following aircraft is IFR, a wake turbulence standard of some sort needs to be in place.
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It doesn't matter what flight rules the aircraft is flying under, wake turbulence separation is required at all times, either by informing the pilot or the ATCO providing the separation.
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CAP493 section 1 chapter 3 paragraph 9B3
When a flight is operating visually (i.e. IFR or SVFR operating under the reduced separation in the vicinity of aerodromes, VFR, or IFR making a visual approach) and is following or crossing behind another aircraft, the pilot is to be informed of the recommended wake turbulence separation minima
When a flight is operating visually (i.e. IFR or SVFR operating under the reduced separation in the vicinity of aerodromes, VFR, or IFR making a visual approach) and is following or crossing behind another aircraft, the pilot is to be informed of the recommended wake turbulence separation minima
CAP493 section 1 chapter 3 paragraph 9B3
When a flight is operating visually (i.e. IFR or SVFR operating under the reduced separation in the vicinity of aerodromes, VFR, or IFR making a visual approach) and is following or crossing behind another aircraft, the pilot is to be informed of the recommended wake turbulence separation minima
When a flight is operating visually (i.e. IFR or SVFR operating under the reduced separation in the vicinity of aerodromes, VFR, or IFR making a visual approach) and is following or crossing behind another aircraft, the pilot is to be informed of the recommended wake turbulence separation minima
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The phraseology is 'caution wake turbulence, recommended spacing is xxnm'.
The controller is neither providing or guaranteeing that distance, it is up to the pilot to assess how much spacing is needed. Further more the distance is recommended, not mandatory so the pilot may choose to fly closer or further behind.
Going back to the OP, there is no separation provided between IFR and VFR flights in Class D airspace. The use of the word 'following' here is misleading. If you are talking about an approach scenario then wake turbulence separation would be required regardless of flight rules. If you are talking more generally then it would be very hard to guarantee a certain distance behind a VFR aircraft that would not be flying vectors etc. Its not something I have ever seen but the IFR traffic would expect WT separation.
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In Oz an IFR aircraft following a VFR aircraft is provided with the appropriate wake turbulence standard.
Regularly get VFR Chinook (Heavy cat when lead aircraft), the following IFR aircraft are wake turb separated or use of one of the get out of jail clauses (e.g. sight and follow, caution wake turb)
Regularly get VFR Chinook (Heavy cat when lead aircraft), the following IFR aircraft are wake turb separated or use of one of the get out of jail clauses (e.g. sight and follow, caution wake turb)
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bluewolf 85, everyone has answered you assuming you mean that both aircraft are in sequence for arrival. I'm reading it with my area control hat where all I have to provide is 5nm or 3nm depending on what area you are in, which is standard area separation, there is no "vortex" requirement to consider.
In Oz, an IFR acft entering the wake turb envelope of a VFR HVY or MED acft requires wake turb separation - so crossing as well as following. The envelope is 760 metres (0.5NM) either side and same level to 999ft below.
