Where in God's name are you going?
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Where in God's name are you going?
Well, here is an ATC exchange that makes me think, hey, why accept and acknowledge ATC instructions that don't make sense?
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Well, probably because in that part of the world they jump down your throat if you query anything!
Would love to know if anybody here has the "Ding Dong" exchange from LAX I think, that I heard about 20 years ago.
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Would love to know if anybody here has the "Ding Dong" exchange from LAX I think, that I heard about 20 years ago.
Priceless.
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I think the pilots were quite professional on this one. They let his first arrogant remark go by without discussion. It's only when he tries tricking them into responding that they explain what was going on.
Note the change in tone once he realises he was the one making a mistake... If pilots make a mistake they have to be careful. If ATC makes a mistake, they are a team.
Note the change in tone once he realises he was the one making a mistake... If pilots make a mistake they have to be careful. If ATC makes a mistake, they are a team.
I think the pilots were quite professional on this one. They let his first arrogant remark go by without discussion. It's only when he tries tricking them into responding that they explain what was going on.
Note the change in tone once he realises he was the one making a mistake... If pilots make a mistake they have to be careful. If ATC makes a mistake, they are a team.
Note the change in tone once he realises he was the one making a mistake... If pilots make a mistake they have to be careful. If ATC makes a mistake, they are a team.
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I don't fly in that part of the world but there are certain places I go that if you question something with the controller you'll get a really pissed off "Yes there IS a reason I'm doing it this way believe it or not" sort of reply. If that video exchange happened to me in one of those places I would be a lot more likely to not question the instruction than I would be in other more civil places where I have questioned something and actually had the ATCO say "No thats the way I need you to go for xyz but thanks for checking".
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Nevertheless, I think it wouldn't have been difficult to ask the controller to confirm the instruction to fly 180 heading. If the controller insists on flying 180 heading, I would negate that and alert him to the situation.
Accepting, acknowledging, then flying heading 180 and not knowing that puts them in the departure route of RWY06, cast some doubts related to the situational awareness in the cockpit.
I'm wondering if complacency in the cockpit played a role in this circumstance.
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Accepting, acknowledging, then flying heading 180 and not knowing that puts them in the departure route of RWY06, cast some doubts related to the situational awareness in the cockpit.
I'm wondering if complacency in the cockpit played a role in this circumstance.
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Last edited by worldpilot; 4th Oct 2015 at 09:34.
