LFPG TWR : Landing Clearances
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LFPG TWR : Landing Clearances
Hi everyone, I'm a trainee ATC at Paris CDG.
I'd like to collect some pilots feeling about the way we clear to land in Roissy, that is to say our beloved message : "n°3, 4NM behind a 320, cleared to land". (only used with great visibility and ceiling)
It's extremely convinient for us. And there is always time for a last second "go around", rather than always waiting for a last second "cleared to land". But how do you pilots feel about that ? Is it easier or are you more concerned about your safety ?
We noticed that sometimes, pilots ask at 1NM from touch "confirm we are cleared to land ?" It's understandable but it adds a lot to our busy frequencies that we wanted to free with these early clearances.
On additional note, do you know other airports using this phraseology ? I'd be curious to know.
Thanks
I'd like to collect some pilots feeling about the way we clear to land in Roissy, that is to say our beloved message : "n°3, 4NM behind a 320, cleared to land". (only used with great visibility and ceiling)
It's extremely convinient for us. And there is always time for a last second "go around", rather than always waiting for a last second "cleared to land". But how do you pilots feel about that ? Is it easier or are you more concerned about your safety ?
We noticed that sometimes, pilots ask at 1NM from touch "confirm we are cleared to land ?" It's understandable but it adds a lot to our busy frequencies that we wanted to free with these early clearances.
On additional note, do you know other airports using this phraseology ? I'd be curious to know.
Thanks
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CDG is the only European airport to which I've flown to use it the way it's used - as an early landing clearance. Some UK airports will use "land after" but the separation is then up to the pilots (I think?)
The procedure was quite common when I flew in the U.S. about 10 years ago, and I know some Canadian airports use it the way CDG does as well.
I'm based in CDG and don't mind it, saves the low-level last minute landing clearance which may well be stepped on by a certain airline and its interminable initial calls, but I see how some crews who may not expect it can get spooked.
The procedure was quite common when I flew in the U.S. about 10 years ago, and I know some Canadian airports use it the way CDG does as well.
I'm based in CDG and don't mind it, saves the low-level last minute landing clearance which may well be stepped on by a certain airline and its interminable initial calls, but I see how some crews who may not expect it can get spooked.
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Did it for 31 years over here in the States. Seldom a problem. Over here, the pilots chip if they *haven't* been told "#2 cleared to land" by the time they are on 2 mile final. Main thing is no surprises and everybody knows their sequence.
Obviously, it only works over here because I'm extremely lucky and the pilots were extremely skillful.
Obviously, it only works over here because I'm extremely lucky and the pilots were extremely skillful.
