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What concerns me is the statement in the media that we have rejected a 6% pay rise... no mention of it being over 2 years. I wonder which clown issued the press statement?
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So 1172 for, 274 against is a total of 1446 votes cast. If this is 72% turnout that means that there were 2008 people eligible to vote. I thought NATS employed more ATCOs than that - the website says 5500 people in total.
I assume that thse results were for the ATCO's only. Does anyone know the results for the other disciplines?
I assume that thse results were for the ATCO's only. Does anyone know the results for the other disciplines?
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What exactly were we voting for then?
I was under the impression we were voting in a consultative ballot whether to accept the deal or not. So, if we have unanimously voted against this offer can someone please explain Prospect's supposed statement that we will not go on strike.!!
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Be careful what you're reading. Prospect haven't made any statement regarding industrial action. What was reported was that:
"Nats was "heartened" to learn that no industrial action was being planned by the controllers' union Prospects." Now the only reason it isn't being planned at this very moment is because of the point made earlier - there hasn't been a ballot on industrial action yet, that comes next, unless management start some constructive negotiations. There has to be a vote to have industrial action. If a vote for industrial action is successful then 'Plans' will be made.
The press very often get it wrong, probably unintentionally, but either way its hard to believe this:
"A Nats spokesman said members had "overwhelmingly" voted in favour of the pay offer. " from the BBC! The BBC news bulletin also again failed to mention that the pay deal was for 6% over TWO years. Grief.
"Nats was "heartened" to learn that no industrial action was being planned by the controllers' union Prospects." Now the only reason it isn't being planned at this very moment is because of the point made earlier - there hasn't been a ballot on industrial action yet, that comes next, unless management start some constructive negotiations. There has to be a vote to have industrial action. If a vote for industrial action is successful then 'Plans' will be made.
The press very often get it wrong, probably unintentionally, but either way its hard to believe this:
"A Nats spokesman said members had "overwhelmingly" voted in favour of the pay offer. " from the BBC! The BBC news bulletin also again failed to mention that the pay deal was for 6% over TWO years. Grief.
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Why is it that it seems to take us so long to go out, whereas tube workers/train drivers and just about anybody else that wants to go out seem to manage it a lot quicker? are there seperate labour laws for air traffickers?
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Agree with you Orson, but I think there are quite a few who deliberately abstained rather than couldn't be bothered.
I suspect the BEC will give NATS a week to react and come up with a better offer and if nothing is put forward then the ballot for industrial action will begin. Members were made perfectly aware of what the possible consequencies of a "no" vote were and maybe will now have to put the threat into reality.
It's vitally important that Prospect get the PR machine up and running as NATS will try every trick in the book to make us the bad boys(and girls).
The time has now come to burn the over dry powder!!
I suspect the BEC will give NATS a week to react and come up with a better offer and if nothing is put forward then the ballot for industrial action will begin. Members were made perfectly aware of what the possible consequencies of a "no" vote were and maybe will now have to put the threat into reality.
It's vitally important that Prospect get the PR machine up and running as NATS will try every trick in the book to make us the bad boys(and girls).
The time has now come to burn the over dry powder!!
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I am one of those who voted No to the pay rise. I feel though it is a shame that we did not have the same unity and resolution in considering the possibility of strike action over, in my opinion more important issues, namely Privatisation, Threats to the pension fund, Lack of staff at Swanwick(in particular), and I am sure that colleagues could think of other issues which are more important than a few percentage points on the pay scale.
Our colleagues in the remainder of Europe are perhaps showing the way forward for us by their actions next week.
Our colleagues in the remainder of Europe are perhaps showing the way forward for us by their actions next week.
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Orson
I mentioned in the NATS forum that there was word a couple of mornings ago, at least at MACC, that some ballot papers appear to have got lost whilst on their way out to the members. Strangely, the people missing ballot papers were members who used their work address for union correspondence.
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I mentioned in the NATS forum that there was word a couple of mornings ago, at least at MACC, that some ballot papers appear to have got lost whilst on their way out to the members. Strangely, the people missing ballot papers were members who used their work address for union correspondence.
160 the cynic
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Top Dog Rupert's Email was telling us how people like Virgin aint getting a pay-rise ! and theres no more money available. Well does anybody know :
1) What pay rises the other airlines have got ?
2) What actually is the salary of some of our European partners, ie Euro Control etc ?
My feeling is that management isnt gonna move on this one. They will be relying on the union to crumble. On the other hand, we may get the offer of a swift couple of fiver's when we all need it most and then like per usual we accept !
1) What pay rises the other airlines have got ?
2) What actually is the salary of some of our European partners, ie Euro Control etc ?
My feeling is that management isnt gonna move on this one. They will be relying on the union to crumble. On the other hand, we may get the offer of a swift couple of fiver's when we all need it most and then like per usual we accept !
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Well you would think that any union worth its salt would have already done the research into our European colleagues and the major airlines to use as a bargaining chip in the negotiations. They would, I'm sure, be happy to share that information with the members, if not only to ensure that we are not labouring under misapprehensions about where we stand in comparison to others. This would scotch any stories about Spanish controllers earning £100k and retiring with full pension at 50 and so on if they were untrue.
Have you seen any such info?
No, nor have I. But I have all confidence that Prospect have done their homework properly...
After all, it would surely be adding to that supply of dry powder that we have been stockpiling for so long
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Have you seen any such info?
No, nor have I. But I have all confidence that Prospect have done their homework properly...
After all, it would surely be adding to that supply of dry powder that we have been stockpiling for so long ..
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81% rejected the offer, EXCELLENT!, until someone at work pointed out the arithmetic, which left me feeling somewhat deflated.
Of the total ATCO Branch membership;
58% voted to reject
14% voted to accept
28% didn't bother to vote
Forgive me for sounding a bit negative, but only 58%!!!
The term "we blew it" comes to mind.
Rgds
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Of the total ATCO Branch membership;
58% voted to reject
14% voted to accept
28% didn't bother to vote
Forgive me for sounding a bit negative, but only 58%!!!
The term "we blew it" comes to mind.
Rgds
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