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NATS Lose Gatwick Contract (Split thread)

Old 18th Jul 2014, 23:12
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Didn't DFS bid for a 25% stake in NATS recently?
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Old 18th Jul 2014, 23:20
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I just hope DFS(TTC) don't do to our T&Cs what NATS(FerroNATS) did to AENA's...
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 06:08
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Why stop at 20%.

Why not 30, or 40?

And how many days does the airport need to be closed if the controllers withdraw labour for any savings to be written off?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 08:08
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Power to the people
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 08:12
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FerroNATS ATCOs are on about one third of what AENA ATCOs were earning at the same airports.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 10:20
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Remind me never to take legal advice off Yahoo !

Tupe doesn't last for 12 months - It's indefinite. Essentially the new company takes on the old company's T&Cs as part of the employee's contract of employment (excluding a couple of things around pensions etc).

Yahoo is correct that they would be within their rights at any time to make everyone redundant and have them reapply for their jobs with a 50% pay cut however they would have to conclusively prove that that was nothing to do with the switchover. In essence the onus would be on DFS to prove that at the time of signing the contract they could not have predicted the need to do this. If they could not prove that any employee affected would have the right of legal redress.

Under Tupe DFS have (almost) exactly the same rights to change contracts that NATS do now. And the same potential ramifications if they do.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 13:52
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Like what Ladyatco said, NATS have had an unfair advantage being partly subsidised by government and it is very refreshing to see this is now being broken up just like all modern industries are and should be, into a free market.
An interesting claim. Perhaps you could share with the rest of us your knowledge of how NATS is partly subsidised by the Government.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 17:47
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I'm not sure that doing a deal that let the Treasury run away with £700+ Million and left the company in a perilous financial position and then giving £65 Million of it back at the same commercial terms as the other equity investor is a subsidy.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 18:42
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A good friend of mine has pointed out elsewhere that EGKK operates the busiest and most efficient single-runway operation anywhere in the world.
This has been achieved by the development of procedures and techniques that NATS have honed over the years to produce a sustained movement rate which I believe often exceeds 55 a/c per hour.
It is also achieved by fantastic teamwork and co-operation between NATS ATC staff who now sit not in the same building, but 80km apart, still making every 3/4 mile gap work.
Reading the various on-line press releases, it appears that the organisation which will take over EGKK is a wholly owned subsidiary of DFS called 'The Tower Company'. It was formed in 2005 to provide ATS at small and medium-sized airports, and has its HQ at Langen, near Frankfurt, from which a team of specialists provides management support for all airports. 'Solutions' include airfield operations, training and..'other'.
TTC will be setting up it's own U.K. company to provide these services.
The last statement could possibly indicate that it has more contracts in it's sights.
I'm sure over the next 2 years, (Mods permitting), this will be an interesting thread, and by 2016, (notwithstanding an eruption of Katla or other impinging crisis), we might see the benefits of this "refreshingly good change".

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Old 19th Jul 2014, 20:23
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Cool

I wonder what innovation DFS can bring realistically ?

How's about German ATCOs, for starters?

Okay, maybe not, but there's plenty of UK licenced ATCOs currently working overseas who may be tempted back for the right package. I'm sure they wouldn't have too much of a problem validating at KK. Trouble is they would cost a great deal more than the present incumbents.

The upside is that the current KK controllers who didn't want to stay at KK with DFS would find plenty of opportunities overseas, particularly in "the Gulf". No tax, but no pension either, but at least you can plan on it being dry for the "barbie".
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 10:29
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The race to the bottom (line) accelerates.
Never mind the quality of service you had before, just look how cheap it is!.
Now if only they could get trainees to pay for the priviledge of their OJTi just think how much cheaper that would make it - oh someone else has already done that with pilots.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 12:05
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With any luck, this will signal bye bye Deakin.

I think Paul Barron is still available, and NATS can start getting back on track.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 13:45
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On the beach - you give the impression from your thread that validating at Gatwick is easy.

It isn't.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 13:53
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awarded the contract to the German DFS which won’t allow UK companies to bid for ATC contracts in their country.
DFS is NOT in a position to forbid - or allow - foreign companies to bid for ATC contracts in D.

THere are non DFS Towers in Germany.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 18:20
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Innovation

Rumour on the street is that the innovation with be a UK company, with DFS R&D back-up, implementing automated ground ATC and lighting Gatwick to reduce staff.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 21:41
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I didn't know that! Name three please.
Thanks zkdli
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 22:01
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 22:03
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You could try Schwerin-Parchim, Augsburg and Braunschweig-Wolfsburg which are among the 10 where Austro Control provide ATS Services. They are all what are described as Regional airports.
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Old 21st Jul 2014, 06:10
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MattUpNrth, just like any major airport.

They are all looking at such systems.
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Old 21st Jul 2014, 06:50
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That I must see!
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