Octuber 10th: 14.000 ATCO´s called for a pan-European action day!!
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BeT, since 9th June, you seem to have change your mind... never bad... "One point" !... 
...but again, penalize users is no more the appropriate answer, the final and appropriate answer lies elsewhere...
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...but again, penalize users is no more the appropriate answer, the final and appropriate answer lies elsewhere...
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^^^
I dont understand your post - sorry.
If its in regards to French controllers continually going on strike - then I stand by my opinion.
Im afraid that French ATC strikes so often, that in isolation not many people give it too much attention any more.
I dont understand your post - sorry.
If its in regards to French controllers continually going on strike - then I stand by my opinion.
Im afraid that French ATC strikes so often, that in isolation not many people give it too much attention any more.
Just to clarify. The strike is about SES, specifically SES2+ not SESAR
SES - Single European Sky Regulations
SESAR - Single European Sky ATM Research (connected but not the main issue).
Massive ATC strike action planned in October | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine
SES - Single European Sky Regulations
SESAR - Single European Sky ATM Research (connected but not the main issue).
Massive ATC strike action planned in October | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine
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ATCEUC Position Paper, much too long to cut and paste.
Tumtiddle probably no direct effect initially though the route will be busier and inevitably Flow Rates applied.
Tumtiddle probably no direct effect initially though the route will be busier and inevitably Flow Rates applied.
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EU ATC REFORM
A quote from Reasons Foundation;
Europe's Single Sky in Big Trouble
From the outset, the idea of creating a Single European Sky for air traffic management has entailed a basic contradiction. A key goal, in addition to modernization of technologies and procedures (a la NextGen in this country) is to increase the efficiency or productivity of European ATC provision to U.S. levels. Given that Europe has 40-odd ANSPs (compared to our one), about 17,000 controllers compared to our 15,000, and 64 en-route centers compared to our 20--but only 60% as many flights--achieving this goal would mean doubling IFR flights per controller.
"Safe, Orderly, and Expeditious".
Link to the rest of the news letter:Reason Foundation - Air Traffic Control Newsletter #106
Europe's Single Sky in Big Trouble
From the outset, the idea of creating a Single European Sky for air traffic management has entailed a basic contradiction. A key goal, in addition to modernization of technologies and procedures (a la NextGen in this country) is to increase the efficiency or productivity of European ATC provision to U.S. levels. Given that Europe has 40-odd ANSPs (compared to our one), about 17,000 controllers compared to our 15,000, and 64 en-route centers compared to our 20--but only 60% as many flights--achieving this goal would mean doubling IFR flights per controller.
"Safe, Orderly, and Expeditious".
Link to the rest of the news letter:Reason Foundation - Air Traffic Control Newsletter #106
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|http://thumbsnap.com/5UJAAYBQLast edited by BeT; 3rd Oct 2013 at 17:38.
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As usual with Europe we in the UK will roll over, do as we are told and take whatever crap the di ck wads in Brussels want to throw at as.
The Uk response? Make a load of ATCOs redundant, reduce our route charges and toe the line.
What would happen if we simply said 'no, don't like our charges fly across the Atlantic another way'. We are never going to learn to stand up for ourselves and it's going to slowly finish us (the UK) off
The Uk response? Make a load of ATCOs redundant, reduce our route charges and toe the line.
What would happen if we simply said 'no, don't like our charges fly across the Atlantic another way'. We are never going to learn to stand up for ourselves and it's going to slowly finish us (the UK) off
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Is the UK making a load of ATCOs redundant? Must have missed that.....
Why else are NATS paying shedloads of cash to convince many elder ATCOs to leave within 18 months
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UK airspace ?open for business? despite threat of strikes | NATS
So british ATCOs will work along with NATS to reduce the impact of the strike of their fellow ATCOs across the continent. Ok. Understood.
Best regards.
So british ATCOs will work along with NATS to reduce the impact of the strike of their fellow ATCOs across the continent. Ok. Understood.
Best regards.
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How can valid ATCOs be considered redundant (voluntary or otherwise) when so much overtime is required and recruitment continues. Surely this does not come under any normal definition of redundancy.
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Anyway, the protest is not going to take place. ATCEUC just called off the strike.
Can some kind soul please provide a link.
Edit: The Press Release has now appeared on their website
atceuc.org - Air Traffic Controllers European Unions Coordination
Basically it revolves around "the EC is now willing to listen"
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Looks like this is back on after talks broke down
Threat of flight chaos for passengers as Europe's air traffic controllers plan strike | Mail Online
German air traffic controllers to strike on Jan 29 | Reuters
Threat of flight chaos for passengers as Europe's air traffic controllers plan strike | Mail Online
German air traffic controllers to strike on Jan 29 | Reuters
