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Old 16th Aug 2013, 13:32
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Red face I screwed up...I infringed!

Just a few words to highlight my recent ****up for the benefit of others.

I recently cut the NW corner of the EGBB CTA whilst flying over Lichfield...I was legal until I decided to climb a few miles too early and bust the floor by 200 feet or so. Did not know until I landed back and had the "please call the watch controller message". I immediately did so and apologised profusely but what did I learn?
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  • Always know where you are...no really know where you are!
  • Think before you act...can I climb here...can I turn here?
  • At least be on the same QNH...I wasn't ...use the ATIS if flying the vicinity of controlled airspace
  • Be on the correct frequency...I was not...I should have made the effort to call...be identified...and shared my plans
  • Finally if you do screw up and you know it...fess up preferably via RT...or at the very least via phone as soon as practicable
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Old 16th Aug 2013, 13:38
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This may be more beneficial if posted in the Private Flying forum?

Meanwhile, say ten thousand Our Fathers and you'll be absolved.
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Old 16th Aug 2013, 13:51
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Agreed HD...I will do so and thanks for the absolution!
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Old 16th Aug 2013, 14:44
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That's why you should always call to transition the airspace several miles from the boundary.

If denied stay very clear laterally or go over the top if possible.

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Old 16th Aug 2013, 21:56
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I infringed the Aberdeen Control Zone a number of years ago and I am an air trafficer with thirty years flying experience and my co-pilot was a senior British Airways training captain.

It happens to the best of us.

The secret is to learn from it.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 12:45
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Hold on a minute. An honest report and some just responses? On PPRUNE?
Maybe that whole safety culture thing is starting to catch on. Good shows all round!
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 16:30
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Whilst doing a sole PPL cross-country, I believe I infringed the Upper Heyford MATZ. My Piper Colt caught the efflux of a B-47, and ISTR a succession of white Vereys being banged off in my direction.

Mea Culpa, albeit 50 years late.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 17:02
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Originally Posted by MPN11
Mea Culpa
It's not possible for a civil aircraft to infringe a MATZ, and white pyrotechnic lights directed from an aerodrome to an aircraft in flight are meaningless.

Therefore you have no charge to answer, case dismissed.
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