Airport Live - BBC 2 UK - 17th June 2013
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Airport Live - BBC 2 UK - 17th June 2013
A behind the scenes look at Heathrow which is on for the next 4 evenings, including emphasis on ATC in tonight's episode.
Could be interesting, or could be completely cringe worthy and have a lot of spin on it.
I guess I'll have to watch it with a beer in hand and see
Could be interesting, or could be completely cringe worthy and have a lot of spin on it.
I guess I'll have to watch it with a beer in hand and see
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Will also be great when everyone else gets the legal requirement of no more than 1 1/2 hours in position
Some of us have it as an Enhanced relief attracting position as part of WP, but it's not a legal requirement like it seems to be at Heathrow
Also, someone tell the NATS guy to get his hands out of his pockets. Kate Humble will think he's fiddling with himself
Some of us have it as an Enhanced relief attracting position as part of WP, but it's not a legal requirement like it seems to be at Heathrow
Also, someone tell the NATS guy to get his hands out of his pockets. Kate Humble will think he's fiddling with himself
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Kate Humble will think he's fiddling with himself
Will other units be issued with NATS ATC embroidered shirts? Or is this just gloss for the beeb?
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Will other units be issued with NATS ATC embroidered shirts? Or is this just gloss for the beeb?
The black polo shirt is only around £12 (plus tax plus postage).
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Here we go again, folk thinking that dress is important. I remember when my watch, C , was featured in the Airport prog' in '98, lots of people whinging that the ATCOs weren't wearing suits - especially some of our assistants, Graham J in particular. It's how well you do the job! Not the wearing of a smelly shiney M&S suit!! Rant over!
Well done guys and girls; even if the only one I recognised was Munawar.
Well done guys and girls; even if the only one I recognised was Munawar.
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Eric... You're right. Remember Doug Handley and his cape? He wouldn't clear someone for take off unless his cuffs were showing correctly. Now they go to work with their knees hanging out!
Here we go again, folk thinking that dress is important
It's how well you do the job! Not the wearing of a smelly shiney M&S suit!!
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Brian,
do not forget that 'ATCO' stands for 'Air traffic Control Officer'.
A police 'officer' will generally adhere to a dress-code, as will 'officers' in the RAF, Army and Navy.
Dress-code is an emotive subject. When i and my contemporaries joined NATS, a suit or sports jacket was obligatory. Bow-ties were often proudly worn too.
At the unit I 'retired' from, the cleaners and other support staff were often dressed more appropriately than the 'officers' they were supporting.
Not a 'rant', just merely an observation.
If NATS had provided me with a polo-shirt with the company logo emblazoned on it, would I have worn it?
Certainly, even if it lit up and flashed 'NATS', in the dark.
do not forget that 'ATCO' stands for 'Air traffic Control Officer'.
A police 'officer' will generally adhere to a dress-code, as will 'officers' in the RAF, Army and Navy.
Dress-code is an emotive subject. When i and my contemporaries joined NATS, a suit or sports jacket was obligatory. Bow-ties were often proudly worn too.
At the unit I 'retired' from, the cleaners and other support staff were often dressed more appropriately than the 'officers' they were supporting.
Not a 'rant', just merely an observation.
If NATS had provided me with a polo-shirt with the company logo emblazoned on it, would I have worn it?
Certainly, even if it lit up and flashed 'NATS', in the dark.
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A police 'officer' will generally adhere to a dress-code, as will 'officers' in the RAF, Army and Navy.
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Oxford English dictionary definition:
Definition of officer
noun
1a person holding a position of authority, especially one with a commission, in the armed services, the mercantile marine, or on a passenger ship: he is also a serving officer in the army
a policeman or policewoman: the RUC has 8,150 full-time officers tougher sentences for attacks on police officers
a bailiff.
2a holder of a public, civil, or ecclesiastical office:a probation officer the Chief Medical Officer
a holder of a senior post in a society, company, or other organization:a chief executive officer
3a member of a certain grade in some honorary orders, such as the grade next below commander in the Order of the British Empire.
Definition of officer
noun
1a person holding a position of authority, especially one with a commission, in the armed services, the mercantile marine, or on a passenger ship: he is also a serving officer in the army
a policeman or policewoman: the RUC has 8,150 full-time officers tougher sentences for attacks on police officers
a bailiff.
2a holder of a public, civil, or ecclesiastical office:a probation officer the Chief Medical Officer
a holder of a senior post in a society, company, or other organization:a chief executive officer
3a member of a certain grade in some honorary orders, such as the grade next below commander in the Order of the British Empire.
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I don't think it was unreasonable for me to draw an inference re dress from your post #11
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Malc I come to the same conclusion when watching Countryfile - that Geordie still talks as if he is on Blue Peter!
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You have unwittingly touched on all three of my careers ( or attempts at
) in your post.
Before becoming an RAF Officer I spent 2 years as a cadet, or uniformed clerk, with Surrey Police. In those far-off days uniformed coppers were never seen without their caps or helmets on for fear of a right rollocking if seen by the Sgt or Inspector, and you certainly didn't see them parked illegally outside chip shops or cashpoints! Times have changed!
In my time as a Herc' nav' you were only allowed to wear flying suits on the aircraft - I even had to change at Wake Island before going to check the Met' on a one hour stop! In my son's time flying suits were worn in the OM, ties were not mandatory in the bar etc; the RAF equivalent of Basil Turner would have been spinning in their graves. However, I'm told by an old Herc' mate of mine that even aged 66, smartly but casually dressed (as befits a former Cathay captain), he has been chewed off by a retired Air Marshal type for walking through the RAF Club tieless -' F**k Off' to him did the trick. Times have changed.
Now my CAA career - IMHO the standard and quality of controlling got better as dress standards changed, or got worse in some folks' eyes.I liked to think that scruffy me paved the way for shorts wearing etc at LL - we were not in the public eye and if it felt more comfortable to be in casual dress - so be it!
Mind you - as for men wearing ear rings etc Ugh!
I don't think it was unreasonable for me to draw an inference re dress from your post #11
TDM
Malc I come to the same conclusion when watching Countryfile - that Geordie still talks as if he is on Blue Peter!
Zooker
You have unwittingly touched on all three of my careers ( or attempts at
) in your post.Before becoming an RAF Officer I spent 2 years as a cadet, or uniformed clerk, with Surrey Police. In those far-off days uniformed coppers were never seen without their caps or helmets on for fear of a right rollocking if seen by the Sgt or Inspector, and you certainly didn't see them parked illegally outside chip shops or cashpoints! Times have changed!
In my time as a Herc' nav' you were only allowed to wear flying suits on the aircraft - I even had to change at Wake Island before going to check the Met' on a one hour stop! In my son's time flying suits were worn in the OM, ties were not mandatory in the bar etc; the RAF equivalent of Basil Turner would have been spinning in their graves. However, I'm told by an old Herc' mate of mine that even aged 66, smartly but casually dressed (as befits a former Cathay captain), he has been chewed off by a retired Air Marshal type for walking through the RAF Club tieless -' F**k Off' to him did the trick. Times have changed.
Now my CAA career - IMHO the standard and quality of controlling got better as dress standards changed, or got worse in some folks' eyes.I liked to think that scruffy me paved the way for shorts wearing etc at LL - we were not in the public eye and if it felt more comfortable to be in casual dress - so be it!
Mind you - as for men wearing ear rings etc Ugh!
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I would have thought that, as a NATS employee you would have more important things to think about such as job security, pension, and technological advances threatening your job than whether you wear a tie or are referred to as an "officer" or not.
In the 21st Century working for NATS you are just an employee.
In the 21st Century working for NATS you are just an employee.