Catch 22 clearance??
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Radar707:
No, I was in G-YBAA on 6th February departing Glasgow around 2pm. I say I nearly had to follow the jet SID because, although I was given it during taxi (and spent 5 mins finding & understanding it and setting up my navaids again), the takeoff clearance was much simpler (climb & maintain 3000' I think) and the clearance at 500 feet from Approach was even better (turn L/R direct on track Talla -- which was exactly where I wanted to go). So no problems with what actually happened, the only problem was the 5 mins near the hold to re-setup. I phoned Glasgow from home afterwards and asked why I was given the jet SID and was told 'whoops, sorry, it was a mistake.'
However the point of my story was not to be critical, but to say that if I had queried the unexpected clearance as soon as it was given, I would have saved myself a lot of work. And flying single pilot IFR (and fairly inexperienced), some heartache as well.
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No, I was in G-YBAA on 6th February departing Glasgow around 2pm. I say I nearly had to follow the jet SID because, although I was given it during taxi (and spent 5 mins finding & understanding it and setting up my navaids again), the takeoff clearance was much simpler (climb & maintain 3000' I think) and the clearance at 500 feet from Approach was even better (turn L/R direct on track Talla -- which was exactly where I wanted to go). So no problems with what actually happened, the only problem was the 5 mins near the hold to re-setup. I phoned Glasgow from home afterwards and asked why I was given the jet SID and was told 'whoops, sorry, it was a mistake.'
However the point of my story was not to be critical, but to say that if I had queried the unexpected clearance as soon as it was given, I would have saved myself a lot of work. And flying single pilot IFR (and fairly inexperienced), some heartache as well.
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Thanks for the input from one and all - apologies for the delay in my response. Initially I was watching the thread - then I had to go away for a while.
The departing aircraft (on THIS occassion) was a Beech 1900 (OK, OK, a turboprop, not a "jet"). The arriving aircraft was another Cessna trainer that had been cleared to land some time before we came on tower frequency.
Student was handling the aircraft as part of a check ride...and he took the controller instructions and crossed the hold short line in the bat of an eye.
I did take control when airborne and turn upwind - whilst student was explaining to me that we would 'rotate before the Beech did'. We had some post flight discussion about relative rates of climb.
The same scenario has happened again, since, and this time I was ready for it. Refused the line up clearance.
No - it was not in the United kingdom....as I'm sure you all knew.
The departing aircraft (on THIS occassion) was a Beech 1900 (OK, OK, a turboprop, not a "jet"). The arriving aircraft was another Cessna trainer that had been cleared to land some time before we came on tower frequency.
Student was handling the aircraft as part of a check ride...and he took the controller instructions and crossed the hold short line in the bat of an eye.
I did take control when airborne and turn upwind - whilst student was explaining to me that we would 'rotate before the Beech did'. We had some post flight discussion about relative rates of climb.
The same scenario has happened again, since, and this time I was ready for it. Refused the line up clearance.
No - it was not in the United kingdom....as I'm sure you all knew.
