Procedures when adjacent control unit failed
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Procedures when adjacent control unit failed
I have a question, if you are the approach controller, suddenly approach radar failued, you can't do any operation on it, and if ACC take over the approach control, it is not that practical, because ACC controllers know little about approach. So does the same to the approach controllers when ACC radar failure.
So my question is if you have some related regulation or rules about this?
I was told that there is a kind of space called "radar advisory service airspace" (I do not know if this translation is correct) in USA, can somebody give me some detail about this kind of airspace?
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So my question is if you have some related regulation or rules about this?
I was told that there is a kind of space called "radar advisory service airspace" (I do not know if this translation is correct) in USA, can somebody give me some detail about this kind of airspace?
Many thanks
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Nei ho,
As far as i know, and thatīs what we have set at my unit (Canarias ACC), if radar fails the old plain "conventional" procedures are to be followed. Flight plan strips, calculations and everybody to the holding pattern at assigned altitudes/FLs. Same applies to Enroute sectors: old conventional procedures, VOR separations and distance/minutes.
Best regards.
PD.- Or more likely you can fall in your knees and start to pray...
As far as i know, and thatīs what we have set at my unit (Canarias ACC), if radar fails the old plain "conventional" procedures are to be followed. Flight plan strips, calculations and everybody to the holding pattern at assigned altitudes/FLs. Same applies to Enroute sectors: old conventional procedures, VOR separations and distance/minutes.
Best regards.
PD.- Or more likely you can fall in your knees and start to pray...
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Thanks for your information, we use ATC system called THALES which allowed us to use electronic flight progress strip, if radar failure happenen, there must be several aircraft only vertical separated and some aircraft are in same altitude but horizontal separated, so if cleared several aircraft to hold, it seems impossible especially in busy time. We are trying to figure out if there is a way to this problem.
Thanks for your information, we use ATC system called THALES which allowed us to use electronic flight progress strip, if radar failure happenen, there must be several aircraft only vertical separated and some aircraft are in same altitude but horizontal separated, so if cleared several aircraft to hold, it seems impossible especially in busy time. We are trying to figure out if there is a way to this problem.
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You need an independent radar fallback system, if you don't have one you go for the Sonnendec way but, it depends by the traffic load, praying as first item could be required.
About the very first question, normally the ACC controller cannot take over the approach operations if he's not trained and qualified for; talking about Area Vs Area sometimes it should be possible within adjacent ACC-
About the very first question, normally the ACC controller cannot take over the approach operations if he's not trained and qualified for; talking about Area Vs Area sometimes it should be possible within adjacent ACC-
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Your first action should be to stop departures, and any other inbound traffic should be instructed to remain with the ACC. You could use emergency separation of 500ft, or the equivalent in metres, while you resolve the situation. You should make a general broadcast that the radar has failed, and pass traffic information where possible. After lots of co-ordination with adjacent radar units, you should be able to get some spatial awareness and then use procedural separations. As a last resort, TCAS should save the day.
