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Penny Washers, have a look at Cap 410. Part B (at para 4) says that a FISO can give instructions to aircraft on a manoeuvring area, but these instructions are only valid up to the runway holding point. Thereafter the FISO becomes an information service only and cannot give instructions, but can request information as necessary to perform its function of:
This suggests you aren't required to "request" a backtrack at a FISO field as entry to the runway from the hold is at your discretion (as with a radio field), however the FISO can actively request information from you e.g. 'report lining up'. CAP 410 then also distinguishes between calls for 'entering the runway' and 'lining up' as two seperate calls which seems to make sense as you're not actually 'lined up' until you've reached the end of the runway and spun round.
This clearly differs from a radio which, as I understand it, cannot give instructions or request information under any circumstances and is essentially a passive listening only function, but which can pass details of known traffic and winds.
Happy to be corrected on this if it's wrong - the CAP docs are not the most concise!
"issuing information to aircraft flying in the aerodrome traffic zone to assist the
pilots in preventing collisions;"This suggests you aren't required to "request" a backtrack at a FISO field as entry to the runway from the hold is at your discretion (as with a radio field), however the FISO can actively request information from you e.g. 'report lining up'. CAP 410 then also distinguishes between calls for 'entering the runway' and 'lining up' as two seperate calls which seems to make sense as you're not actually 'lined up' until you've reached the end of the runway and spun round.
This clearly differs from a radio which, as I understand it, cannot give instructions or request information under any circumstances and is essentially a passive listening only function, but which can pass details of known traffic and winds.
Happy to be corrected on this if it's wrong - the CAP docs are not the most concise!
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Originally Posted by chevvron
allowing an aircraft at the holding point to line up when the runway is still occupied by another aircraft
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okay okay - it's a good guess.
Generally seems a great field to fly from. Good mix of types, nice long runway.
I've only just revalidated my PPL - I was used to a tower field when I first learned which is obvioulsy a lot more disciplined and controlled then A/G. Had a bit of a scare a couple of weeks ago at the hold when someone landed the wrong way along the active runway - was mystified as to why I couldn't see him when he called final
There's also model flying going on most weekends which I was surprised by - although to be fair they seem pretty well drilled and stay away from the active.
All part of the ongoing learning experience I suppose...
Generally seems a great field to fly from. Good mix of types, nice long runway.
I've only just revalidated my PPL - I was used to a tower field when I first learned which is obvioulsy a lot more disciplined and controlled then A/G. Had a bit of a scare a couple of weeks ago at the hold when someone landed the wrong way along the active runway - was mystified as to why I couldn't see him when he called final
There's also model flying going on most weekends which I was surprised by - although to be fair they seem pretty well drilled and stay away from the active.
All part of the ongoing learning experience I suppose...
Perhaps UV will be along soon and give us an EGSX tower view of your incident.
BTW - I think I have a horrible feeling I know the person in question regarding landing the wrong way. If it is who I think it is, he's a liability and I'll never fly with him. He was bad enough as a passenger.
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Yes, it would be good to hear the tower's perspective. If something similar happens I will probably say something. I'm now saying "ready for full length departure" to remove all doubt.
Re the "reversed" landing, the a/c in question was a pa28, if that means anything.
Re the "reversed" landing, the a/c in question was a pa28, if that means anything.
