Maximising chance of glider Class D zone crossing.
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Maximising chance of glider Class D zone crossing.
As a cross-country glider pilot it is becoming increasingly difficult, in some areas, to conduct long-distance flights whilst avoiding all class D airspace. Which of the following are most likely to get me/improve my chances of getting a zone clearance? My glider is equipped with radio but not a transponder at present. I have a FRTO licence.
Call for clearance 5min / 5 miles before boundary.
Fitting a Mode S transponder.
Submitting a VFR flight plan prior to take off.
'Phone call prior to take off.
Any other suggestions?
P.S.: I don't want to loiter in your zone - I'm aiming to complete my task as fast as I can - but I may need to stop at some point to gain height - particularly when flying into wind.
Call for clearance 5min / 5 miles before boundary.
Fitting a Mode S transponder.
Submitting a VFR flight plan prior to take off.
'Phone call prior to take off.
Any other suggestions?
P.S.: I don't want to loiter in your zone - I'm aiming to complete my task as fast as I can - but I may need to stop at some point to gain height - particularly when flying into wind.
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Suggestions 1, 2, 4 are all good.
Suggestion 3 will be of no benefit.
Suggestion 3 will be of no benefit.
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Having never really dealt with gliders transiting class D, what kind of level would you usually be requesting? And would you be able to hold if required? That would be the 2 main questions I would be asking as a radar controller. The answer to these questions would determine if IFR traffic were going to be delayed and subsequently if your transit will be approved.
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Fit a transponder, it'll double your chances of getting a prompt clearance. Also a call 5-10 mins before you reach the boundary also helps. Many of us have had our fingers burned by non-transponding traffic and being able to accurately monitor your progress gives us the warm and fuzzy feeling we like especially when dealing with non-standard traffic,
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Having never really dealt with gliders transiting class D, what kind of level would you usually be requesting? And would you be able to hold if required? That would be the 2 main questions I would be asking as a radar controller. The answer to these questions would determine if IFR traffic were going to be delayed and subsequently if your transit will be approved.
Holding is a bit tricky in that circling in sink will result in the glider being on the ground pretty quickly! However, a glider can circle in lift for quite a time - although it will be drifting with the wind. Depending on conditions it might well be feasible to fly to a nearby thermal to wait for onward clearance.
A modern glider should be able to achieve 6-7 nm for the loss of 1,000' (through the airmasss) so getting high before e.g. crossing a centre-line should result in uninterupted progress. Assuming a couple of thousand feet is available for a glide through a zone an uninterrupted 10+ nm glide should be achievable. If flying straight up or downwind, following lines of lift, often much better is achievable - sometimes 20-30 nm between thermals.
Gliders will usually have an airspeed between thermals in the 70-90 kt range.
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Fit a transponder, it'll double your chances of getting a prompt clearance. Also a call 5-10 mins before you reach the boundary also helps. Many of us have had our fingers burned by non-transponding traffic and being able to accurately monitor your progress gives us the warm and fuzzy feeling we like especially when dealing with non-standard traffic,
Regards, ADIS
Regards, ADIS