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Old 16th Jan 2012, 15:45
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Unusual contrail over UK

Question for London ATCO's:-

I was flying in and out of Heathrow today and with the clear blue skies could see what looked like a 'B' shaped contrail between London and TNT being formed over and over again.

It was at a good height, >FL400 and was in the air from around 11am until at least 1:30pm.

Do you guys and girls know what aircraft it was? What were they doing?
Or can't you say?!

Thanks.
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Didn't you take a picture?
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Other threads have mentioned E-3 AWACS activity in the area today.
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I would guess that it was an AWACS type of thing........They sit up there in the FL400's around that geographical area doing funny shapes.
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From the Mt. Belzoni area this morning, a clearly defined holding pattern contrail was visible, which looked like an aircraft holding high at Honiley, (using extended legs). A perfect race-track it was and the time correlates nicely, but sadly I didn't have the camera with me.
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RAF Sentinel (GLEX) doing whatever it is that they do.

Active on Mode S for a good two-and-a-half hours.
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Thanks for the info. Certainly was interesting to look at. It was a small aircraft alright. GLEX-sized.
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It looked more like the Boeing E3 Sentry
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My wife drew my attention to it .. and she never looks skyward
Surprised these boys in blue don't check the contrailing levels before starting their ops.
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E3 Sentry will normally operate a lot lower than 40,000' in the UK AEW areas.

I expect in a real conflict situation, they will indeed take account of the contrail level, or operate far from any threat.
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Originally Posted by qwerty
Surprised these boys in blue don't check the contrailing levels before starting their ops.
- as 10W says, they do if necessary - it is normally briefed, but I guess the fighter threat was low over Nottinghamshire that day.
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Surprised these boys in blue don't check the contrailing levels before starting their ops
[Caution: Old Git Mode ON] Reminds me of the 60s when you would see endless circling contrails from Vulcans and Victors almost anywhere in the UK. I guess the Russians knew we were planning to incinerate them, and if they didn't, it was a good way of reminding them
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 19:18
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At least one E3 (a NATO one) was on exercise from the Wash down to the Channel for about 4 hours yesterday.
Good to know that, after so many years of joint cooperation, those foreign Jonnys have reached the letter B in the English alphabet.
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I don't think the Luxembourg registered ones can get that high
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They're usually FL300 ish and sat in the lobes. Without the charts near me, i couldn't have a guess as to which one it was in.
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Sentinels usually operate upwards of FL470
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Both right! Sentinel higher up and E3 lower down and slightly to the West....same time frame.
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The one that half the country saw was an E-3 at FL310
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sprite 1 was correct in his estimation....however 750XL could be a little out, and I suggest FL410/FL430 might be more realistic. DaveReid correct and 10W correct.
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never seem them above 410/430, typically 410 negative RVSM so blocking three levels if you include 420!

U2's drop in to upper radar cover passing 470 out of 660 ish to land occasionaly
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