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Difference btween "Make left/right orbit" and "Make 360"

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Old 17th Mar 2013, 11:01
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Does anyone know where this could be in Australian CASA regulations or FAA/JAA regulations?
Don't know about regulations down under or in the US, but you'll definitely find no JARs with regard to radio phraseology. The Joint Aviation Authorities was a supranational organisation that doesn't exist anymore; their regulations (the Joint Aviation Requirements - JAR) were to be implemented into national legislation and are now in the process of being transferred into EASA rules, i.e. rules of the European Union, and there never were any JARs concerning radio phraseology in the first place.

I imagine all this is as confusing to you as the structure of your CASA regulations is to me.
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 07:31
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Originally Posted by hvogt
The Joint Aviation Authorities was a supranational organisation that doesn't exist anymore; their regulations (the Joint Aviation Requirements - JAR) were to be implemented into national legislation and are now in the process of being transferred into EASA rules, i.e. rules of the European Union, and there never were any JARs concerning radio phraseology in the first place.
Thanks for that information. So, EASA is the organisation presently responsible.

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I imagine all this is as confusing to you as the structure of your CASA regulations is to me.
CASA should make something like this. Found it on EASA website.
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 07:41
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I have read the same in the textbook JAA ATPL Oxford Jeppessen-Communications Pg 8-1(141).

Qs.3 'ORBIT RIGHT' means:
Ans (b) Continue to make right hand turn until advised
I wonder where the book authors got this from.
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 07:58
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I wonder where the book authors got this from.
From the ATPL question bank. Its the answer in one of the exams.
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Old 19th Mar 2013, 08:23
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And when you don't want someone to do a complete hold but can't vector them off the fix first time - "at xxx make a 360 Left/Right, then fly heading xxx"

Some pedant will probably now tell me you should say "enter the hold (delay) followed by hold cancelled fly direct to xxx then heading xxx" but the first is simple, and obvious and less R/T time and used all the time.
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Used to work fine for us, eh M??
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