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I don't have any approach plates in front of me, but I'm pretty sure that the LOC procedure starts from 2500'. The ILS clearance procedure disliked by pilots at Heathrow was (I believe) brought in to stop people descending straight to 2500'. Is there anything about the way that the clearance for the LOC procedure is delivered that prevents pilots descending straight to 2500'?
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The ILS approach starts at 2500 and there is other IFR traffic at 3000 and VFR aircraft at 2400 and below. Clearing aircraft for the ILS approach at 4000’ in the past has led to some descending early to 2500.
If only 0.01% of pilots find it ambiguous, that’s about 2 incidents a month. (Although you might want to check my maths👍
I completely agree though, it does feel unsatisfactory to be at odds with most of the rest of the world but there is a strong safety case behind it.
RudderTrimZero,
Why do you feel the need to resurrect a thread that has been dormant for 11 years?
Is it just to have a go at HD? HD was a very good controller, popular with his colleagues and an all round top man. He has not posted here for a couple of years but I am not aware that he has 'fallen from the perch'. I know life has not been kind to him for the last 10 years or so and the last thing he needs is people like you having a go at him.
If you fly for the Middle East airline that has made the news for all the wrong reasons this last year or so ( See Rumours and News section ) I should keep your head below the parapet if I were you.
Why do you feel the need to resurrect a thread that has been dormant for 11 years?
Is it just to have a go at HD? HD was a very good controller, popular with his colleagues and an all round top man. He has not posted here for a couple of years but I am not aware that he has 'fallen from the perch'. I know life has not been kind to him for the last 10 years or so and the last thing he needs is people like you having a go at him.
If you fly for the Middle East airline that has made the news for all the wrong reasons this last year or so ( See Rumours and News section ) I should keep your head below the parapet if I were you.
RudderTrimZero,
Why do you feel the need to resurrect a thread that has been dormant for 11 years?
Is it just to have a go at HD? HD was a very good controller, popular with his colleagues and an all round top man. He has not posted here for a couple of years but I am not aware that he has 'fallen from the perch'. I know life has not been kind to him for the last 10 years or so and the last thing he needs is people like you having a go at him.
If you fly for the Middle East airline that has made the news for all the wrong reasons this last year or so ( See Rumours and News section ) I should keep your head below the parapet if I were you.
Why do you feel the need to resurrect a thread that has been dormant for 11 years?
Is it just to have a go at HD? HD was a very good controller, popular with his colleagues and an all round top man. He has not posted here for a couple of years but I am not aware that he has 'fallen from the perch'. I know life has not been kind to him for the last 10 years or so and the last thing he needs is people like you having a go at him.
If you fly for the Middle East airline that has made the news for all the wrong reasons this last year or so ( See Rumours and News section ) I should keep your head below the parapet if I were you.
Chevvron,
Thanks for the update - I am sometimes in touch with Talkdown Man and he keeps me up to date as much as he can. Please give Bren my best wishes when you are next in contact with him.
Thanks for the update - I am sometimes in touch with Talkdown Man and he keeps me up to date as much as he can. Please give Bren my best wishes when you are next in contact with him.
