What is RBS?
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What is RBS?
Working in Iraq. I hear other aircraft saying that they will maintain RBS with another aircraft infering that they will be clear vertically or horizontally with that other traffic. What does RBS mean and where can I find the definition and rules?
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Gab
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Gab
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Only a guess, but possibly Radar Based Separation, military aircraft using their airborne radar(s) to "see" and avoid other traffic, allowing them to operate as they wish.
Normal rules MAY not apply in Iraq
Normal rules MAY not apply in Iraq
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Normal rules do apply, it's just the place itself that is "different".
I've not heard RBS myself (though possibly as I've not spent enough time in the Ops room!). However - is it possible that you mave have misheard it and it was in fact "MARSA" (Military Assumes Responsibility for Separation).
What are you flying and where you based (PM me if you want).
I've not heard RBS myself (though possibly as I've not spent enough time in the Ops room!). However - is it possible that you mave have misheard it and it was in fact "MARSA" (Military Assumes Responsibility for Separation).
What are you flying and where you based (PM me if you want).
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Nope. I know and think I understand MARSA... Although I think it is frequently misused. (From my understanding of how it is defined in the GP.)
I'm not military (I am retired military) but I fly contractor airplanes and I get offered MARSA frequently. We are not equipped/briefed or part of a group/formation that has each other's frequencies to participate in MARSA, although I hear many other contractors doing it. (And [personally] I think accepting MARSA with a UAV is crazy... but that's another subject.)
RBS only recently started being transmitted and I am curious about it. I don't see it in the GP or AIM.
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Gab
I'm not military (I am retired military) but I fly contractor airplanes and I get offered MARSA frequently. We are not equipped/briefed or part of a group/formation that has each other's frequencies to participate in MARSA, although I hear many other contractors doing it. (And [personally] I think accepting MARSA with a UAV is crazy... but that's another subject.)
RBS only recently started being transmitted and I am curious about it. I don't see it in the GP or AIM.
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Gabilane
"Nope. I know and think I understand MARSA... Although I think it is frequently misused. (From my understanding of how it is defined in the GP.)
I'm not military (I am retired military) but I fly contractor airplanes and I get offered MARSA frequently. We are not equipped/briefed or part of a group/formation that has each other's frequencies to participate in MARSA, although I hear many other contractors doing it. (And [personally] I think accepting MARSA with a UAV is crazy... but that's another subject.)"
Gabilane, I think you're spot on here - US application of MARSA procedures (I say "US" because you mention you're in Iraq) are very specific (follow this link to the US ATC manual, the 7110.65T and search for MARSA).
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/ATC.pdf
MARSA is never supposed to be "offered" to somebody!
I'm not military (I am retired military) but I fly contractor airplanes and I get offered MARSA frequently. We are not equipped/briefed or part of a group/formation that has each other's frequencies to participate in MARSA, although I hear many other contractors doing it. (And [personally] I think accepting MARSA with a UAV is crazy... but that's another subject.)"
Gabilane, I think you're spot on here - US application of MARSA procedures (I say "US" because you mention you're in Iraq) are very specific (follow this link to the US ATC manual, the 7110.65T and search for MARSA).
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/ATC.pdf
MARSA is never supposed to be "offered" to somebody!
