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BaghdadKiwi,
I didn't post the details because I thought PPRUNE'rs liked salary details etc communicated via PM.
The details I have are the same as you published - I'm due to start soon so the info is current.
You enjoy the work out there?
Cheers!
I didn't post the details because I thought PPRUNE'rs liked salary details etc communicated via PM.
The details I have are the same as you published - I'm due to start soon so the info is current.
You enjoy the work out there?
Cheers!
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I don't usually respond to trolls, but in your case I shall make an exception.
You sir, are an idiot...or to be slightly kinder, just young and inexperienced.
You have the good fortune to be employed in Eurocontrol...petty much the cushiest number in world aviation.
To abuse people who, for reasons totally unknown to you, have decided to work in Baghdad, is simply puerile.
If you have been knocked back for the job because you lack experience and you are bitter, then get over it.
If you don't want to work there, why post on the thread at all? Seriously, why?
I would hazard a guess and say that the vast majority of controllers in Baghdad are VASTLY more experienced than you are, and have worked more traffic than you ever will if you work until you are 70 in your present location.
If you think I am disparaging the Euro zone traffic count, think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...think about that for a moment or two. Then go and sit in the corner and be quiet whilst the adults discuss matters.
End of rant. I feel better now....
You sir, are an idiot...or to be slightly kinder, just young and inexperienced.
You have the good fortune to be employed in Eurocontrol...petty much the cushiest number in world aviation.
To abuse people who, for reasons totally unknown to you, have decided to work in Baghdad, is simply puerile.
If you have been knocked back for the job because you lack experience and you are bitter, then get over it.
If you don't want to work there, why post on the thread at all? Seriously, why?
I would hazard a guess and say that the vast majority of controllers in Baghdad are VASTLY more experienced than you are, and have worked more traffic than you ever will if you work until you are 70 in your present location.
If you think I am disparaging the Euro zone traffic count, think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...think about that for a moment or two. Then go and sit in the corner and be quiet whilst the adults discuss matters.
End of rant. I feel better now....
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...think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...
One of these things is not like the others,
one of these things just isn't sane.
UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke
ISRT - out
One of these things is not like the others,
one of these things just isn't sane.
UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke
ISRT - out
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diver, me ole mate
$200000 per annum doesn't seem a lot when you consider that UAE ATC supervisors get approximately the same remuneration.
However, to be fair, in the UAE you do have to pay your own rent but then you don't have to wear a flak jacket and the UAE life style is a tad more enjoyable.
ISaidRightTurns is correct when he says: "UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke"
EINN to ORBI. A big jump!
Best of luck
$200000 per annum doesn't seem a lot when you consider that UAE ATC supervisors get approximately the same remuneration.
However, to be fair, in the UAE you do have to pay your own rent but then you don't have to wear a flak jacket and the UAE life style is a tad more enjoyable.
ISaidRightTurns is correct when he says: "UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke
"EINN to ORBI. A big jump!
Best of luck
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work out traffic count divided by number of controllers...then come back to me 
And you were right...SoCal is an approach unit One of those things wasn't like the others
Verci....actually it has been a jump from cold and wet to....you guessed it, cold and wet!
As a supe though...you are much less likely to get fired here.
And you were right...SoCal is an approach unit One of those things wasn't like the othersVerci....actually it has been a jump from cold and wet to....you guessed it, cold and wet!
As a supe though...you are much less likely to get fired here.
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Hi Duck
the last published figures for the UAE ACC are for May 2010 and show a daily average movement figure of approx 1750 per day, i.e. 638750 per annum max.
Last time I spoke with the ex head of the New York Tracon he mentioned that they had been handling 2.4 million movements per annum while the London TMA had been handling 1.2 million movements per annum.
Wet and cold = ideal conditions for a pint of Guinness.
Re fired meaning to lose one's job as opposed to being fired (at)!, I would agree with you there.
Keep the head down and good luck.
Cheers
the last published figures for the UAE ACC are for May 2010 and show a daily average movement figure of approx 1750 per day, i.e. 638750 per annum max.
Last time I spoke with the ex head of the New York Tracon he mentioned that they had been handling 2.4 million movements per annum while the London TMA had been handling 1.2 million movements per annum.
Wet and cold = ideal conditions for a pint of Guinness.
Re fired meaning to lose one's job as opposed to being fired (at)!, I would agree with you there.
Keep the head down and good luck.
Cheers
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Workload and Movements are related but two distinctly different measurements.
Give a controller a RADAR longitudinal separation standard of 40NM and a 2000FT vertical separation standard (not approved for RVSM) and adjacent FIRs who don't like you and therefore won't talk to you let-alone help you, coupled with equipment that is less-than-reliable... and then you'll understand the workload comparison. It has little to do with Total Movements.
Balad ACC does not have the "luxury" of Air Traffic Control that controllers in the West take for granted.
Give a controller a RADAR longitudinal separation standard of 40NM and a 2000FT vertical separation standard (not approved for RVSM) and adjacent FIRs who don't like you and therefore won't talk to you let-alone help you, coupled with equipment that is less-than-reliable... and then you'll understand the workload comparison. It has little to do with Total Movements.
Balad ACC does not have the "luxury" of Air Traffic Control that controllers in the West take for granted.
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I interviewed for the approach/tower positions and was told that the salary is $170,000 US, rotation was 10 weeks on with 2 off with travel bonus, and that you would live on the airport somewhere.
Compare this with my last contract in Afghanistan where we were rocketed or mortared weekly, Bagdad would be almost like a vacation spot, so I know if I receive an offer I'll accept.
Compare this with my last contract in Afghanistan where we were rocketed or mortared weekly, Bagdad would be almost like a vacation spot, so I know if I receive an offer I'll accept.
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Ask your mate how many staff London and NY have would you? From my memories of UAE...we didn't have too many lying around, and a dozen of them were in the training school
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The last I heard was that Serco was looking for controllers for the Bagdad contract that were current in Radar Approach which eliminated me since I hadn't worked approach in the past year, I've been tower only since I retired.