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Old 14th Jul 2010, 14:05
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PRAWNS

Just a quick question, I used to work for NATS but am now providing training overseas, could anyone out there confirm for me the correct meaning of the acronym PRAWNS when used for handover of a position?
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Can't remember PRAWNS but this has been replaced by WEST (at ScAcc certainly)

Weather
Equipment
Situation
Traffic


Feel free to correct if this is wrong!!!!
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Pressure
Runway in Use
Airfield
Wx
Nav Aids
Situation

As stated above, it has been replaced by WEST.
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Around 2000 PRAWNS was slightly different for APC and TMA as below:

For APC

P – Pressure (High – low – min stack)
R – Runways in use
A – Airports (ILS – gaps – freqs)
W – Weather (Vis – avoidance – winds)
N – Non-standard/priority info (Non-standard flights – EATs and holding – navaids – danger areas)
S – Strips to display


For TMA

P – Pressure (High – low – min stack)
R – Runways in use
A – Adjacent sectors (Bandboxed – split – freqs)
W – Weather (Vis – avoidance – winds)
N – Non-standard/priority info (Non-standard flights – EATs and holding – navaids – danger areas)
S – Strips to display
 
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Thanks for the replies.
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Old 14th Jul 2010, 17:35
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If you are implying that you are going to encourage/teach this for handing over, I would ask why encourage a pointless acronym? Surely more to the point to present the information in a logical order (whatever that might be for the individual unit or position) and, indeed, if necessary, use a checklist. NATS drives me mad with their stupid bl00dy acronyms for everything under the sun.

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there may be too many acronyms in nats, but prawns is excellent. 90% of the ops room use it in some form or another tc for every single handover. It works very well
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I'm with ERIC on this one.
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Old 14th Jul 2010, 21:20
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I'm with 2 sheds on this one.

When I was in TC most ATCOs just joked 'prawns' to each other and then got on with the serious business of a proper, common-sense handover which didn't require yet another acronym. I still don't see 'PRAWNS' in MATS Part 1 so it couldn't have caught on with ATSD. Presumably it remains a nats-only so-called 'best practice'.....
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It might well work for you. All I am saying is that the sequence of items should be logical for the unit or position, if necessary via a written checklist, and not be driven by acronym-obsession.

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Now don't get me started on "best practice..."!

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What, 2 sheds, you mean millibars after everything, degrees after everything, remain outside controlled airspace after everything...etc etc? I blame(d) the nats LCE's which ATSD lost control of. nats will be filing MATS Part 1 differences next...
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TDM, are you and HD the same NATS retiree? Are you ever seen in the same place at the same time?

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REST - Restrictions, Equipment, Situation, Traffic. ;-)
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Or one I've heard an assistant use: FATTY
F*** All To Tell You
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Aus officially uses RAWFONT -

Runways
Airspace
Weather
Facilities
Outstanding matters
NOTAMS
Traffic

Can also be termed FARTNOW...
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Originally Posted by Talkdownman
What, 2 sheds, you mean millibars after everything, degrees after everything, remain outside controlled airspace after everything...etc etc?
Certainly not taught at the college. Only use millibars after QNHs less than 1000 and only use degrees after headings ending in zero. Although it isn't a problem if folk do use them all the time, it certainly isn't encouraged. At least on the Area side, can't speak for Aerodrome/Approach.
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Originally Posted by BackAndForth
it isn't a problem if folk do use them all the time
Of course it is. CAA require these distinctions otherwise they wouldn't be emphasised in CAP413.

Some self-exalted nats LCEs have, in the past, tried to change the rules and impose their own so-called 'best practices' on the shop floor at variance with the CAA ATSD policy and without consultation or agreement. I have witnessed examination candidates being criticised or marked-down by some nats LCEs for not being compliant with their own wishes, personal opinion, or nats-only 'best practices' when they have been otherwise CAA compliant. It is uncontained, Big Brother macho-posturing power without authority. Procedures are procedures. 'Best practices' are not procedures.
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Perhaps RAW PRAWN would be apposite!

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