New ATCO College in the South
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New ATCO College in the South
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A friend of mine told me yesterday she'd heard that a new ATC college was opening in the South, has anyone heard anything or know who's behind this?
Any info greatly appreciated - the wife is spending too much of my pension!
A friend of mine told me yesterday she'd heard that a new ATC college was opening in the South, has anyone heard anything or know who's behind this?
Any info greatly appreciated - the wife is spending too much of my pension!
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Hi talkdownman
Thanks for your reply, but apparently this was a new venture not associated with NATS? - i'll keep digging, see what I can come up with!
Thanks for your reply, but apparently this was a new venture not associated with NATS? - i'll keep digging, see what I can come up with!
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Google is a useful tool, and so quick. 
ASTAC International Ltd : The New Shoreham ICAO Centre
Other reputable approved Colleges are available........
ASTAC International Ltd : The New Shoreham ICAO Centre
Other reputable approved Colleges are available........
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Thank-you for your carefully considered response!
I am aware of, not only how to use google, but the other ATC training colleges to which you refer including ASTAC - the rumour i heard was a new venture start up in the South.
I thought i'd utilise this forum as a means to extract info on any possible jobs that might be going!
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Thank-you for your carefully considered response!
I am aware of, not only how to use google, but the other ATC training colleges to which you refer including ASTAC - the rumour i heard was a new venture start up in the South.
I thought i'd utilise this forum as a means to extract info on any possible jobs that might be going!
cheers
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With NATS providing (in the majority) for their own, the ASTAC College at Shoreham being reallity for a few years now and both ASTAC Gloucester and BAe Cwmbran having worked very hard to establish themselves in the UK Market and both only just managing to cope with the current economic situation, I cannot see any room for another training provider in the UK for the forseeable future.
Given the very high start up costs of starting such a business , let alone spending several years establishing it and getting CAA Approval, I'd be very suprised if there is any foundation to this rumour.
Given the very high start up costs of starting such a business , let alone spending several years establishing it and getting CAA Approval, I'd be very suprised if there is any foundation to this rumour.
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In todays Flight International (paper copy - not the online version - yet), there is a small advert for a "Chief ATC Instructor" for a "new venture in the UK".
No details of the employer or anything else other than a generic email address to apply to.
It seems an expensive way of trawling the market, given that anyone in their right mind who was genuinely interested in that position would want to know all about who they were applying to before they did so.
Given the state of the market and collosal start up costs and backing needed to make a profit, it would be very interesting to see who is behind this.
No details of the employer or anything else other than a generic email address to apply to.
It seems an expensive way of trawling the market, given that anyone in their right mind who was genuinely interested in that position would want to know all about who they were applying to before they did so.
Given the state of the market and collosal start up costs and backing needed to make a profit, it would be very interesting to see who is behind this.
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Barnaby - no problem at all! We all have em!
Yup, saw the advert something, going to make some further enquiries.
Start up costs would be high as you say, but maybe this is a good time for some competition to come into the market, aircraft and airline orders are still at almost a record high in terms of aircraft to be delivered.
I'll keep digging, thanks for the responses so far!
Yup, saw the advert something, going to make some further enquiries.
Start up costs would be high as you say, but maybe this is a good time for some competition to come into the market, aircraft and airline orders are still at almost a record high in terms of aircraft to be delivered.
I'll keep digging, thanks for the responses so far!
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The jungle drums are certainly beating. I heard that the new training facility will be in Bournemouth and will open before the end of 2010.
The NATS college is moving away and its still unclear what the long term NATS training solutions will be. There are also still significant cost obstacles to overcome at NATS. The new CEO will have his focus on cutting out overheads. The recent traffic downturn has given some breathing space, re NATS training commitments, but decisions will need to be taken soon.
Elsewhere, ATS providers are all struggling with cost management. The new financial transparency, that comes by law with Single European Sky, is causing many European ATC providers to wring their hands and look at outsourcing training as a lower cost option (no big corporate overheads).
The trends to downsizing cost are already there to see, Eurocontrol college at Luxembourg closed, Entry Point North losing Norwegain Training to a college in North Dakota. (and Norway was a partner in EPN!)
I think we'll see more commercial aviation training colleges in the next five years , focussing in ATC and related topics (Av English, Environment etc.) in the UK at least Bournemouth is the obvious choice. I think the story has legs.
I'm off to polish my cv!
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The NATS college is moving away and its still unclear what the long term NATS training solutions will be. There are also still significant cost obstacles to overcome at NATS. The new CEO will have his focus on cutting out overheads. The recent traffic downturn has given some breathing space, re NATS training commitments, but decisions will need to be taken soon.
Elsewhere, ATS providers are all struggling with cost management. The new financial transparency, that comes by law with Single European Sky, is causing many European ATC providers to wring their hands and look at outsourcing training as a lower cost option (no big corporate overheads).
The trends to downsizing cost are already there to see, Eurocontrol college at Luxembourg closed, Entry Point North losing Norwegain Training to a college in North Dakota. (and Norway was a partner in EPN!)
I think we'll see more commercial aviation training colleges in the next five years , focussing in ATC and related topics (Av English, Environment etc.) in the UK at least Bournemouth is the obvious choice. I think the story has legs.
I'm off to polish my cv!
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"New ATC college in the South" is not exactly a precise description, isn't it?
In any case Senasa, the spanish agency responsible for atco training was separated from Aena during this year and was looking for instructors. Don't expect too much pay, though, they are trying to cut any costs they can.
Also Safeskys was looking for instructors and atcos to be trained at the Senasa facilities in Madrid for a job in the Canary Islands. Don't know how much the instructor would get, the salary description is only for the atco (and only for one year, I expect the catch will be the following spanish contract... as for the job, it refers to the island of El Hierro which is basically a piece of rock in the midst of nowhere... sun yes, but no beach)
In any case Senasa, the spanish agency responsible for atco training was separated from Aena during this year and was looking for instructors. Don't expect too much pay, though, they are trying to cut any costs they can.
Also Safeskys was looking for instructors and atcos to be trained at the Senasa facilities in Madrid for a job in the Canary Islands. Don't know how much the instructor would get, the salary description is only for the atco (and only for one year, I expect the catch will be the following spanish contract... as for the job, it refers to the island of El Hierro which is basically a piece of rock in the midst of nowhere... sun yes, but no beach)
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Eurocontrol
Eurocontrol reform is in underway at the moment.
This is part of single European Sky work and is driven by the EU. This is fact and has been the case for more than a year and is actively exercising the minds of European ANSP execs as we speak.
Eurocontrol will be a network operator, and will operate the flow management unit, Route charges and so called "network management" (kind of ATFM on steroids) No Training and no ATC operations.
Maastricht centre will almost certainly go back to the states from which it came (Germany, netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg) but under the FAB - FABEC. All this in negotiation at the moment.
And the training centre will close.
Other training facilities in Europe also up for review (similar issues to NATS relocation of CATC) Expect consolidation of ANSP owned training in Europe and emergence of broader private academies doing ATC + + other viable education.
KT
This is part of single European Sky work and is driven by the EU. This is fact and has been the case for more than a year and is actively exercising the minds of European ANSP execs as we speak.
Eurocontrol will be a network operator, and will operate the flow management unit, Route charges and so called "network management" (kind of ATFM on steroids) No Training and no ATC operations.
Maastricht centre will almost certainly go back to the states from which it came (Germany, netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg) but under the FAB - FABEC. All this in negotiation at the moment.
And the training centre will close.
Other training facilities in Europe also up for review (similar issues to NATS relocation of CATC) Expect consolidation of ANSP owned training in Europe and emergence of broader private academies doing ATC + + other viable education.
KT
