French ATC Strike 23/02/10
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French ATC Strike 23/02/10
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Quite surprised there isn't anything else about this, FOUR DAY STRIKE! about European ATC Integration. Thats got to be a big finger in the direction of the FABEC Program.
Anyone got any more news on this?
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Quite surprised there isn't anything else about this, FOUR DAY STRIKE! about European ATC Integration. Thats got to be a big finger in the direction of the FABEC Program.
Anyone got any more news on this?
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FABEC is not that different to the original EUROCONTROL concept when it was founded in 1960 - until French and Brit politics got in the way. If you ignore the FABEC propaganda machine you will find that there is quite some resistance to it from a number of areas, not least the French.
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Very interesting Dichotomy:
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
Not a single comment about wages either...
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
Not a single comment about wages either...
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Eurocontrol
is a great concept and seems to be working just fine. Put all Central European ATM providers into an agency like Eurocontrol, make it a non-profit-organisation, et voilà, we would be in a better situation than today.
Yet I doubt to see anything like it in my career...
Yet I doubt to see anything like it in my career...
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Very interesting Dichotomy:
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
Not a single comment about wages either...
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
Not a single comment about wages either...
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As far as I understand what is going on in France :
Part of the unions in France are opposed to any reform of the european ATC landscape. The people on strike want to keep the situation unchanged.
I also heard that the strike is an attempt to undermine the MOSAIC project which is supported by several professional ATCO associations representing controllers from several FABEC states... (Some unions appear to feel threatened by these professional associations).
Does anyone know if this is a correct representation of what is going on? (Just looking for some confirmation here...)
more about MOSAIC : MOSAIC Objectives & Charter | MOSAIC
Part of the unions in France are opposed to any reform of the european ATC landscape. The people on strike want to keep the situation unchanged.
I also heard that the strike is an attempt to undermine the MOSAIC project which is supported by several professional ATCO associations representing controllers from several FABEC states... (Some unions appear to feel threatened by these professional associations).
Does anyone know if this is a correct representation of what is going on? (Just looking for some confirmation here...)
more about MOSAIC : MOSAIC Objectives & Charter | MOSAIC
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Very interesting Dichotomy:
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
French ATC effectively a day into 4 day strike, 4 posts...
Irish ATC 4 hour stopwork, 100 posts before the action even commences...
The people on strike want to keep the situation unchanged.
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Hello fellow controllers and fellow pilots,
I'm going to give you some elements to understand why there is a the strike. I can't help you so much because I'm a all-new student.
There are many reasons for the strike. I can remember somes, that concerns me and that I can understand.
#What is different in France is that french controllers are not just controllers , we are called the "engineers of air navigation" (=ICNA) : we have a 3 years initial training, in order to be multiratings qualified (twr,app,acc) and to work in research centers, technical centers, management, ect. There are air traffic controllers that have been manager of en-route center. The training in other countries doesn't seem to be so wide as the french training.
#Another problem with integration of air navigation service providers, is that this project is going to split upper and inferior airspace. So at the end, there will be a big compagny for en-route, which is very profitable by nature, all over europe central and app,twr will be left to governements or compagnies.. (medium an small approach are not profit-making). A part from an interest of profit, as for me i don't see any gain of safety which is the aim of air traffic control.
#Unions that are on strike says they would prefer a cooperation model with strenghened ties and links with other ANSPs to promote safety and more direct routes.
NB :
-the french ICNAs have the cheapest rates in en-toute taxes in Europe in comparison with other big ANSPs in Europe. And the government don't spend any money for atc because the taxes just cover the cost of personels, maintenance, ect..
-ICNAs earn between 20% to 50% less than other air traffic controllers in Europe
That's all I can say, because i don't know so much. I hope it will help you understand.
As for me : I prefer to earn 50% less than other air traffic controllers and to be a civil servant, and to be only motivated by safety, but that's my point of view...
see ya
I'm going to give you some elements to understand why there is a the strike. I can't help you so much because I'm a all-new student.
There are many reasons for the strike. I can remember somes, that concerns me and that I can understand.
#What is different in France is that french controllers are not just controllers , we are called the "engineers of air navigation" (=ICNA) : we have a 3 years initial training, in order to be multiratings qualified (twr,app,acc) and to work in research centers, technical centers, management, ect. There are air traffic controllers that have been manager of en-route center. The training in other countries doesn't seem to be so wide as the french training.
#Another problem with integration of air navigation service providers, is that this project is going to split upper and inferior airspace. So at the end, there will be a big compagny for en-route, which is very profitable by nature, all over europe central and app,twr will be left to governements or compagnies.. (medium an small approach are not profit-making). A part from an interest of profit, as for me i don't see any gain of safety which is the aim of air traffic control.
#Unions that are on strike says they would prefer a cooperation model with strenghened ties and links with other ANSPs to promote safety and more direct routes.
NB :
-the french ICNAs have the cheapest rates in en-toute taxes in Europe in comparison with other big ANSPs in Europe. And the government don't spend any money for atc because the taxes just cover the cost of personels, maintenance, ect..
-ICNAs earn between 20% to 50% less than other air traffic controllers in Europe
That's all I can say, because i don't know so much. I hope it will help you understand.
As for me : I prefer to earn 50% less than other air traffic controllers and to be a civil servant, and to be only motivated by safety, but that's my point of view...
see ya
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Put all Central European ATM providers into an agency like Eurocontrol,
All many members are interested in is User Charges collection and CFMU.
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I don't really understand why you are still against FABEC/MOSAIC?
Last month, I read in a communiqué that "DGAC staff will retain their status as officials working for France's public service corps, and maintain their mobility in various directions and be integrated into the European structures of FABEC by means of temporary posting or secondment."
I'm not very well informed, but I think you're way better off than your northern neighbours. But then again, compared to some other neighbours, this might be true...
Last month, I read in a communiqué that "DGAC staff will retain their status as officials working for France's public service corps, and maintain their mobility in various directions and be integrated into the European structures of FABEC by means of temporary posting or secondment."
-ICNAs earn between 20% to 50% less than other air traffic controllers in Europe
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aluminium persuader - trust me, there were many jokes recalled during the night shift that the strike began in to keep that alive for a while!!
"Bonjour Pierre, I have 3 for you......."
"Bonjour Pierre, I have 3 for you......."
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Hello guys,
as a french ATCO working in Paris ACC , let me try to explain to you what's going on here in France :
First of all what's the Civil Aviation in France:
12000 people working as civil servants with :
- 4400 ATCOs (ACC, appoachs and tower)
- 1500 IESSA (ATSEP or electronician engenneers)
- 1800 "Technicians " (including about 300 working as controllers on airports most usually VFR or with light IFR traffic)
- 1000 engeneers
- 1000 office workers
...
Regarding the Unions:
the most powerful one is the SNCTA only representing ATCOs and with the majority in that category (55% in last elections) (i'm part of that union)
Then you have unions well known in every other sector in France like CGT , FO and CFDT . They can represent every person in every one of the different category... the "1st" one is CGT (2nd union for ATCOs with almost 30% in last election and 1st for the whole civil aviation).
CGT ,FO,and 3 others unions (one representing electronicians) decided to go on strike for 4 days to fight the recent political announcement to work about creating an INTEGRATED FABEC instead of a COOPERATIVE FABEC.
The integrated FABEC is the main project of my union (SNCTA) , one other union and plenty of unions in the 5 others countries of the FABEC...
We are really divided today here in France:
- some think we can create the Fabec while fighting competition by creating the 1st civil service organisation (only one new provider in the FABEC = integration): that's the idea of SNCTA , SATAC(union of technicians) and unions all other the other countries..
- on the other side CGT , FO and other unions think almost...the opposite. This integrated FABEC could lead to less social working conditions,,,risk of privatizing support jobs etc etc... They just want to continue to "cooperate".
I have to say i'm part of those who think we have to propose our future even if it's not so easy...we have at least to think about that possibility of creating that integrated FABEC. If it's not possible or to risky (after large discussions) then ok..
But CGT,FO and other don't want to talk about that possibilty and refuse the French gvt decision to launch work about that...
I must admit I don't understand that position as also a lot of my colleagues !
as a french ATCO working in Paris ACC , let me try to explain to you what's going on here in France :
First of all what's the Civil Aviation in France:
12000 people working as civil servants with :
- 4400 ATCOs (ACC, appoachs and tower)
- 1500 IESSA (ATSEP or electronician engenneers)
- 1800 "Technicians " (including about 300 working as controllers on airports most usually VFR or with light IFR traffic)
- 1000 engeneers
- 1000 office workers
...
Regarding the Unions:
the most powerful one is the SNCTA only representing ATCOs and with the majority in that category (55% in last elections) (i'm part of that union)
Then you have unions well known in every other sector in France like CGT , FO and CFDT . They can represent every person in every one of the different category... the "1st" one is CGT (2nd union for ATCOs with almost 30% in last election and 1st for the whole civil aviation).
CGT ,FO,and 3 others unions (one representing electronicians) decided to go on strike for 4 days to fight the recent political announcement to work about creating an INTEGRATED FABEC instead of a COOPERATIVE FABEC.
The integrated FABEC is the main project of my union (SNCTA) , one other union and plenty of unions in the 5 others countries of the FABEC...
We are really divided today here in France:
- some think we can create the Fabec while fighting competition by creating the 1st civil service organisation (only one new provider in the FABEC = integration): that's the idea of SNCTA , SATAC(union of technicians) and unions all other the other countries..
- on the other side CGT , FO and other unions think almost...the opposite. This integrated FABEC could lead to less social working conditions,,,risk of privatizing support jobs etc etc... They just want to continue to "cooperate".
I have to say i'm part of those who think we have to propose our future even if it's not so easy...we have at least to think about that possibility of creating that integrated FABEC. If it's not possible or to risky (after large discussions) then ok..
But CGT,FO and other don't want to talk about that possibilty and refuse the French gvt decision to launch work about that...
I must admit I don't understand that position as also a lot of my colleagues !
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I believe its a strike against MOSAIC project, but I think they dont really know the benefits of this project.
1 Ansp with european civil servent status, I am in favor because everybody in the surrounding states have it better then we.
1 Ansp with european civil servent status, I am in favor because everybody in the surrounding states have it better then we.
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Hi,
Bruman : i agree with you... As you seem to be from Belgium, CGT and others unions that started that strike told 1st belgium union is against the integrated FABEC :
http://www.usac-cgt.org/Nouveau_Site...FGTB_FABEC.pdf
They say that for controllers it's not an union but a "guilde" so they don't talk about their point of view...and they don't talk about what the others unions from all other countries think...like GDF in Germany, TUEM in Maastricht etc etc...
Aviator IT : it will end tomorrow saturday 6am so no problem after
Bruman : i agree with you... As you seem to be from Belgium, CGT and others unions that started that strike told 1st belgium union is against the integrated FABEC :
http://www.usac-cgt.org/Nouveau_Site...FGTB_FABEC.pdf
They say that for controllers it's not an union but a "guilde" so they don't talk about their point of view...and they don't talk about what the others unions from all other countries think...like GDF in Germany, TUEM in Maastricht etc etc...
Aviator IT : it will end tomorrow saturday 6am so no problem after