Conditional glidepath descent phraseology - pilots view appreciated

[despegue]

Amen!

And by the way, The UK has the worst quality of transmissions in Europe, BY FAR (especially Scottish) and sometimes, the accent of the controllers is less understandable than in Africa.
I'm always glad to see the Channel flying Eastbound, and so do almost all of my collegues.

[Mister Geezer]

BY FAR (especially Scottish) and sometimes, the accent of the controllers is less understandable than in Africa.

You obviously ain't flown round much of Africa then. In some cases Scottish would still seem clearer than some African ATC units, even if the chap (or chapess! ) on Scottish was munching on a Tunnocks caramel wafer whilst necking a bottle of Irn-Bru and transmitting at the same time!

Gonnae no dae that

[ClimbSequence]

Hi despegue,

Probably you are being a little hard with the british colleagues.
If you really want to listen to a slangish, unstandarized and ocassionally mean phraseology, fly through one of the New York Approach sectors.
I think the UK airspace is one of the most organized and professional worldwide and even more considering the amount of traffic they have to handle on certain TMA (London, Manchester).
And if they standarized their own phraseology, remember that it is you who is flying to their land and have to adapt to the thousand + people working behind the screens in their territory, it can't work the opposite way.

[No Further Requirements]

Just out of interest, what do the UK controllers say for a VOR approach clearance? Is it ONCE ESTABLISHED ON THE INBOUND RADIAL, DESCEND AS PER THE PLATE?

And for an NDB? ONCE ESTABLISHED ON THE BEARING, DESCEND AS PER THE PLATE?

I'm with ICAO on this one - CLEARED XXX APPROACH. Done!

Cheers,

NFR.

[Coffin Corner]

When established inbound descend with the procedure.

[2 sheds]

When established inbound descend with the procedure.

Quite possibly, but where is the authority or reference for that phrase? I would have thought that if the standard phrase does not exist in UK documentation, the obvious logic would be to adopt the appropriate ICAO phrase.

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[babotika]

I have only been told "cleared VOR/NDB/whatever approach" ... no GS so no paranoia I guess.

Regardless of what ATC says it's our responsibility in the flight deck to manage the vertical profile of the flight and cross check that we're doing is what we should be doing. If I chose to track the GS from further out I will be closely monitoring the rate of descent and altitude-vs-distance to ensure it's the 'real' glide.

As an aside I've been told to "Turn left heading xxx, upon localiser intercept cleared ILS approach ..." in Canada. Same LOC-then-GS principle as the UK but the magic word that most pilots need to hear is there. Baffles me why something similar isn't used, it's hardly longer than the current UK instruction.

S.

[Fly Through]

This all came about because pilots would react differently to the magic phrase 'cleared ILS....', most maintaining their present altitude until the glideslope & some descending straight to platform altitude. I'm all for keeping it simple so standard phraseology and standard actions from the flight crew please.

[Wojtus]

I have only been told "cleared VOR/NDB/whatever approach" ... no GS so no paranoia I guess.

NPA should be started from platform altitude. Doing it from higher alt requires prior recalculation of FAF.

[babotika]

most maintaining their present altitude until the glideslope & some descending straight to platform altitude.

Leave [altitude] on the glideslope, cleared ILS approach..."

Funnily enough I got that one in Canada too, Toronto I think.

S.