Experienced controllers going to Spain?
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If you are trying to apply for a job as a ATCO in Spain I think it is easier to become a grave digger in USA,meaning it is impossible.
You need to be Spanish citizen and even so you will have to start from the beggining with school,training etc.That is if you get lucky to be accepted.
Try somewhere else,this is my friendly advice.
Gianni
You need to be Spanish citizen and even so you will have to start from the beggining with school,training etc.That is if you get lucky to be accepted.
Try somewhere else,this is my friendly advice.
Gianni
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i must agree with gianni17. It is extremely hard for a spanish citizen to get in let alone someone else who is very experienced at controlling.
Furtermore, you have to go back to basics and go back to school despite possibly having 5, 10, 15+ years under your belt.
It might be better to go somewhere else.
Furtermore, you have to go back to basics and go back to school despite possibly having 5, 10, 15+ years under your belt.
It might be better to go somewhere else.
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The highest general unemployment rate within Old Europe plus The Best T&C within whole europe ,and further as well.
And 50+ millions of citizens,
Do you need more reasons?
And 50+ millions of citizens,
Do you need more reasons?
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Just a thought but can you speak fluent Spanish? Even if the above obstacles were not in place, would you expect 'in' centre co-ordination etc to be carried out in English?
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You don't need to be a Spanish national to apply, but you will not get any points for being an experienced controller either, and indeed you will be tested to make sure you have a very good level of Spanish.
At least that is the way it is as of now. We don't know what the future lies ahead, and the single license directive was transposed just a week ago.
Cheers,
Juan.
At least that is the way it is as of now. We don't know what the future lies ahead, and the single license directive was transposed just a week ago.
Cheers,
Juan.
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Watching the news this morning they announced that now any european citizen with a high school degree can try to get into the training. Guess they are following the rest of Europe in this aspect.
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Would anyone care to translate this..?
Jaque a los controladores aéreos: el Gobierno suaviza las normas de acceso a la profesión - Cotizalia.com
Jaque a los controladores aéreos: el Gobierno suaviza las normas de acceso a la profesión - Cotizalia.com
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Hi guys,
It's true it's supposed to be easier for you guys to come over and work for Aena from now on since our beloved goverment passed a decree that even allow ATCOs that do not speak spanish to be hired.
It is part of the strategy to scare the crap out of us and make us think they are going to replace us all.
IMO, there is 2 things they may have not thought through:
1- European ATCOs are not more stupid than we are
, so I believe they will unionize as soon as they arrive, like 96% of us are. So they'll have a similar problem but with people not just from Spain.
2- In a country with 4 million unemployed (unofficially almost 5 million since the government doesn't count people attending one of the courses they offer), how is people gonna take if they hire 2000 foreigners?
BTW, sorry for any inconveniences caused but it's not our responsibility. I'll just say we are NOT on strike. Aena did the roster for Christmas here in the Canaries when a 15% traffic reduction was forecasted. The actual reduction was 2%. Also, the roster was designed on a per-day-of-the week basis, meaning they allocated the same number of ATCOs for December 8th and December 22nd.
They included in the roster colleagues in maternity/paternity leave and long term sick leaves, for example. When last minute they tried to cover with overtime, most of us refused because we warned the company in October of these circumstances, had already plans with our families and where quite angry with the media campaigning against us (like publishing our salaries almost everyday and lying blatantly about them). In my particular case, they called me in December 30th at 1pm to fill in for January 1st in the morning. I wasn't even on the island when they called. As you can imagine, I said No thanks!
Underneath all this campaign against us is the intention of the government of selling Aena to private companies to pay part of its 11000 million euros debt due to the recent years' craze of building a new airport in every province in Spain (there's 50 provinces and 47 airports), some as profitable as La Rioja or Huesca, with less than 10 arrivals PER WEEK!
And for some of you thinking we make too much money, our offer to the company implied a 20% reduction in our salaries, but they refused it.
I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have about all this mess.
Cheers!
It's true it's supposed to be easier for you guys to come over and work for Aena from now on since our beloved goverment passed a decree that even allow ATCOs that do not speak spanish to be hired.
It is part of the strategy to scare the crap out of us and make us think they are going to replace us all.
IMO, there is 2 things they may have not thought through:
1- European ATCOs are not more stupid than we are
, so I believe they will unionize as soon as they arrive, like 96% of us are. So they'll have a similar problem but with people not just from Spain.2- In a country with 4 million unemployed (unofficially almost 5 million since the government doesn't count people attending one of the courses they offer), how is people gonna take if they hire 2000 foreigners?
BTW, sorry for any inconveniences caused but it's not our responsibility. I'll just say we are NOT on strike. Aena did the roster for Christmas here in the Canaries when a 15% traffic reduction was forecasted. The actual reduction was 2%. Also, the roster was designed on a per-day-of-the week basis, meaning they allocated the same number of ATCOs for December 8th and December 22nd.
They included in the roster colleagues in maternity/paternity leave and long term sick leaves, for example. When last minute they tried to cover with overtime, most of us refused because we warned the company in October of these circumstances, had already plans with our families and where quite angry with the media campaigning against us (like publishing our salaries almost everyday and lying blatantly about them). In my particular case, they called me in December 30th at 1pm to fill in for January 1st in the morning. I wasn't even on the island when they called. As you can imagine, I said No thanks!
Underneath all this campaign against us is the intention of the government of selling Aena to private companies to pay part of its 11000 million euros debt due to the recent years' craze of building a new airport in every province in Spain (there's 50 provinces and 47 airports), some as profitable as La Rioja or Huesca, with less than 10 arrivals PER WEEK!
And for some of you thinking we make too much money, our offer to the company implied a 20% reduction in our salaries, but they refused it.
I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have about all this mess.
Cheers!
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well given some spanish controllers are earning 800k a year I'm suprised there isn't a stampede of people applying for jobs over there.
Outrage in Spain over soaring air traffic controllers’ pay - Times Online
Outrage in Spain over soaring air traffic controllers’ pay - Times Online
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Hi Guys, just a quick intro. I'm a BA pilot who commutes from Spain.
It is really disappointing that even The Times seems to have joined the misinformation bandwagon. There was ONE controller who last year earned 900K Euros working extra hours. Every bugger and his dog comes up to me and wants to talk about the same.
It's true that the norm is more like 300K euros a year for what amounts to about 12-14 days a month (sometimes even less) and they are saying that that is 3x what an English controller earns. Well, that's as may be but considering the slide in the pound in the past couple of years it seems a little unfair to say that.
Also, what they really, really don't tell you is that the very government who are trying to bully the ATCO's into submission are really the biggest burden on the Spanish economy which in turn is the biggest burden on the EU. Zapatito (our Mr Bean president) has about 300 advisers - and frankly for the job he does he may as well have none! We also have one of the largest civil services packed full of lazy, good for nothing ignorant people you could possibly imagine.
So, yes they earn a lot of money and (I have to say) not as good as our English controllers but of all the skilled and specialised workers in Spain, they do a very good job which is more than you can say for most of the rest.
This summer there may be some disruption and it will make the rest of Europe's days a little longer; and you will be told all sorts of lies and tales of high earning lazy Spanish ATCO's but just remember what I said.
All, thanks for looking after us up there.
It is really disappointing that even The Times seems to have joined the misinformation bandwagon. There was ONE controller who last year earned 900K Euros working extra hours. Every bugger and his dog comes up to me and wants to talk about the same.
It's true that the norm is more like 300K euros a year for what amounts to about 12-14 days a month (sometimes even less) and they are saying that that is 3x what an English controller earns. Well, that's as may be but considering the slide in the pound in the past couple of years it seems a little unfair to say that.
Also, what they really, really don't tell you is that the very government who are trying to bully the ATCO's into submission are really the biggest burden on the Spanish economy which in turn is the biggest burden on the EU. Zapatito (our Mr Bean president) has about 300 advisers - and frankly for the job he does he may as well have none! We also have one of the largest civil services packed full of lazy, good for nothing ignorant people you could possibly imagine.
So, yes they earn a lot of money and (I have to say) not as good as our English controllers but of all the skilled and specialised workers in Spain, they do a very good job which is more than you can say for most of the rest.
This summer there may be some disruption and it will make the rest of Europe's days a little longer; and you will be told all sorts of lies and tales of high earning lazy Spanish ATCO's but just remember what I said.
All, thanks for looking after us up there.