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Old 5th Jul 2009, 13:37
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Question Please help with Radar Vectors

Hello,
I got a question. I hope you can help me
When you are flying out of an airport with radar vectors after departure: for example, "after departure, right turn, heading 240 for radar vectors".

When can you turn. I presume you have to wait until you pass your omni-directional departure altitude????
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 14:10
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If I remember the appropriate extract from PANSOPS correctly.
The turn on departure is calculated at something like 295 ft above the departure end of the runway.
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I thought that it was 395...(more of a wild guess) But i know that I'm never allowed to turn before 400', but that might just be company procedures where i work.
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Where terrain clearance allows, a turn my be commenced not below 400ftagl.
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To answer the question posed!

When can you turn. I presume you have to wait until you pass your omni-directional departure altitude
In a word - Yes
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Asked in work today, none of us know wot that omni directional thingy is..must be an icao thing we decided...!!!

Anyhow as for radar headings after departiure..as soon as you can..and please read your notams, if it says noise abatement between the hours of 2200 and 0700 thats when we'd like you to fly straight ahead to 2000ft, not at any other time...!!!
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Quite a few omni-directional departures at airports in France - the notes usually specify the min turn alt - if none listed always understood min is 400 ft aal
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Asked in work today, none of us know wot that omni directional thingy is..must be an icao thing we decided
i suppose it depends on who one asks. I think that loadsa stuff up North is attributed as "an ICAO thing" -
I'll explain it to you one day, but it'll cost a cider or 3 - your round btw

the min turn alt
That would be it Bob. Couldn't put it better myself. thanks
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First post here...former US FAA ATC, FAA Terps specialist and now FAA Flight Inspection Pilot:

400 feet for straight ahead climb (Zone 1), then turn on course as assigned for Diverse Vector Area (DVA). Climb at minimum 200 ft per mile unless stated otherwise. ATC procedures like this require TERPS evaluation for obstacle clearance and all assume 400 ft straight ahead climb before the turn (2 NM worst case). This initial climb is the same for all vector or pilot nav departures unless the word "immediately" is included to avoid terrain. When you see that word, take heed.

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Old 10th Jul 2009, 00:53
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I would assume that if in VMC, the turn could be initiated when it is safe to do so/ref aircraft type/speed/bank/company ops. After all, the vast majority of the time we are more or less VMC...
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It all depends on who requests a turn - pilot or ATC
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Angel Thanx but...

In a word - Yes
Thanx beamwidth. U were the first to answer the question.

That was what I presumed

It all depends on who requests a turn - pilot or ATC
Criss: Could you please explain more? Do you agree with beamwidth?

Thanks in advance
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392 ft agl, or company policy whichever is higher
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