Wind on final, how long ?
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Wind on final, how long ?
When giving information to the pilot about the wind on final, what time scale should be taken into account ?
We have the option to select instantaneous wind, wind over the last 2 minutes, or the wind over the last 10 minutes. Of course, the minima and maxima of those timings are very different.
Are there any procedures published about this ?
Reason why I ask is because we have a discussion at my facility about what wind we should give the pilot, thereby reducing his playtime if we give to strong crosswind (which is what happens when we select "last ten minutes - wind" and give him the gusts)
Thanks for your help everyone.
We have the option to select instantaneous wind, wind over the last 2 minutes, or the wind over the last 10 minutes. Of course, the minima and maxima of those timings are very different.
Are there any procedures published about this ?
Reason why I ask is because we have a discussion at my facility about what wind we should give the pilot, thereby reducing his playtime if we give to strong crosswind (which is what happens when we select "last ten minutes - wind" and give him the gusts)
Thanks for your help everyone.
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ICAO annex 3 describes this, appendix 3 I think. Short version, 2 minute winds, significant variations ((in direction and velocity)with max and min values. "Wind check", wind to departing aircraft and aircarft on short final is instant (3 seconds)
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4444 refers to Annex 3, Ch. 4 and states that the following constitutes "significant change":
VRB 60 degrees or more
Wind-components:
Headwind: 10 kt
Crosswind: 5 kt
Tailwind: 2 kt
If I'm not tooooooooooooo mistaken
VRB 60 degrees or more
Wind-components:
Headwind: 10 kt
Crosswind: 5 kt
Tailwind: 2 kt
If I'm not tooooooooooooo mistaken
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ICAO annex 3 describes this, appendix 3 I think. Short version, 2 minute winds, significant variations ((in direction and velocity)with max and min values. "Wind check", wind to departing aircraft and aircarft on short final is instant (3 seconds)
- for a gusts to be declared, the max instant wind value should be taken from the last 10, or 2 minutes? Should it be compared to the mean wind from the 2 or 10 minute?
- similar, for variation of direction, are extreme directions from last 2 or 10 minutes valid?
And more questions - for a departing a/c, should I use the wind at departure threshold, mid-field or remote threshold? Does "wind check" implies instant wind, or 2-min average?
It's good if you have local rules covering that. ICAO is playing possum here.