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HD.....Do you mean me?
I am extremely professional at work...here....well a little bit of levity goes a long way.
HD April 4th
I am extremely professional at work...here....well a little bit of levity goes a long way.
Jumbo744.. Please recognise that there is weird humour in aviation, which you will undoubtedly become aware of! I think everyone was having a laugh so don't be too shocked.
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Thanks fellas! 
Almost missed the crack about the french, "anotherthing".
Radarman I will google 'airways' along with the one on the other thread that was suggested.
Radarman and pheasant plucker, I will check out both sites, just for the hell of it.
Grizzled et al for everyones information; I lack knowledge not intelligence. I think.....
Heathrow Director, I love it. I don't go to pubs anymore, and miss the witty repartee. Although it is interesting that a bluntness in communication comes out in forums, professional or otherwise. I haven't seen noses that high in the air since Concorde.....
All good fun, we are not robots. Yet..
it is also interesting that there have been differences of opinion.
Almost missed the crack about the french, "anotherthing".
Radarman I will google 'airways' along with the one on the other thread that was suggested.
Radarman and pheasant plucker, I will check out both sites, just for the hell of it.
Grizzled et al for everyones information; I lack knowledge not intelligence. I think.....
Heathrow Director, I love it. I don't go to pubs anymore, and miss the witty repartee. Although it is interesting that a bluntness in communication comes out in forums, professional or otherwise. I haven't seen noses that high in the air since Concorde.....
All good fun, we are not robots. Yet..
it is also interesting that there have been differences of opinion.
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Feeling guilty, I p.m.-ed you some links from the UK Aeronautical Information Publication (AIP) earlier. Amongst other things, there are some maps of UK airspace upper and lower air routes - you may find them interesting.
Glad your bull$hit-o-meter works ok
Feeling guilty, I p.m.-ed you some links from the UK Aeronautical Information Publication (AIP) earlier. Amongst other things, there are some maps of UK airspace upper and lower air routes - you may find them interesting.
Glad your bull$hit-o-meter works ok
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Googled 'Free Flight FAA'. Interesting.
Googled 'airways'. 2,820,000 sites (UK). Can you be more specific?
Looked up chemtrail, just for the hell of it.
I remember when the Alien Autopsy film came out. Was it or wasn't it real? No it wasn't,
A) it was in grainy black and white.
B) it was in grainy black and white.
C) It was in grainy black and white.
Any government would have flown the top cameraman in with colour film and then topped them afterward if need be. No offence to any govt.
Why fly planes all around the airspace to give us chemicals, when they can dump it in the food and water?
No I do not believe in this conspiracy. Sorry to go off topic.
Thanks for the other info though.
Googled 'airways'. 2,820,000 sites (UK). Can you be more specific?
Looked up chemtrail, just for the hell of it.
I remember when the Alien Autopsy film came out. Was it or wasn't it real? No it wasn't,
A) it was in grainy black and white.
B) it was in grainy black and white.
C) It was in grainy black and white.
Any government would have flown the top cameraman in with colour film and then topped them afterward if need be. No offence to any govt.
Why fly planes all around the airspace to give us chemicals, when they can dump it in the food and water?
No I do not believe in this conspiracy. Sorry to go off topic.
Thanks for the other info though.
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The OP was referred here to get a "professional" opinion by grizzled.
Only clicker, radarman and anotherthing have attempted to answer the question and NOTHING has been added to the answers in the original thread.
As to sense of humour, presumably the humour in my post on the other thread is too subtle for the children who have piled in on here.
Eastern wiseguy, you will be relieved to know I'm not Irish. Just for the record, my economic brilliance allowed me to retire 10 years ago and not be too troubled by Mr Lenihan's latest strictures, though the increase in DIRT is annoying. How much longer do you have to go as a wage slave?
Only clicker, radarman and anotherthing have attempted to answer the question and NOTHING has been added to the answers in the original thread.
As to sense of humour, presumably the humour in my post on the other thread is too subtle for the children who have piled in on here.
Eastern wiseguy, you will be relieved to know I'm not Irish. Just for the record, my economic brilliance allowed me to retire 10 years ago and not be too troubled by Mr Lenihan's latest strictures, though the increase in DIRT is annoying. How much longer do you have to go as a wage slave?
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if you retired 10 years ago, where is the interest in these forums coming from?
there are perfectly good forums to do with soiling yourself in old age, how to deal with life as a perfect human being, and of course various sites with chat rooms about russ abbot (who you obviously admire for his brilliance in the field of humour). You guys both crack me up.
go queue up in the post office and then sit at home reading the daily express complaining about the price of houses/immigrants/the conspiracy behind princess di's death................and leave us unprofessional ones alone. please?
there are perfectly good forums to do with soiling yourself in old age, how to deal with life as a perfect human being, and of course various sites with chat rooms about russ abbot (who you obviously admire for his brilliance in the field of humour). You guys both crack me up.
go queue up in the post office and then sit at home reading the daily express complaining about the price of houses/immigrants/the conspiracy behind princess di's death................and leave us unprofessional ones alone. please?
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How much longer do you have to go as a wage slave?
Like many of my co workers(particularly Band 5
) I am independently wealthy........As to you not being Irish......bad luck
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Good morning children - that is all of you so called professionals who couldn't be bothered to answer, from your knowledge of ATC, a perfectly simple question but preferred to behave like a gang of seven year olds in the playground.
Isn't it wonderful how people - under the anonimity of the Web - find it so easier to demean themselves with yah- boo stupidity than behave like adults and use the Forum for its purpose.
Years ago aviation professionals were happy to share knowledge and develop interest in the industry. Now, judging by this and the similar previous thread, the attitude is "we know it all, don't ask daft questions and don't dare to point out how unhelpful we are."
Perhaps if those who wrote the trash answers to my posts, re the chemtrails post, had taken the time to answer the OP (always assuming of course that they have any knowledge of ATC) they might have gained some respect instead of proving just how puerile so called adults can be.
Isn't it wonderful how people - under the anonimity of the Web - find it so easier to demean themselves with yah- boo stupidity than behave like adults and use the Forum for its purpose.
Years ago aviation professionals were happy to share knowledge and develop interest in the industry. Now, judging by this and the similar previous thread, the attitude is "we know it all, don't ask daft questions and don't dare to point out how unhelpful we are."
Perhaps if those who wrote the trash answers to my posts, re the chemtrails post, had taken the time to answer the OP (always assuming of course that they have any knowledge of ATC) they might have gained some respect instead of proving just how puerile so called adults can be.
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I think you will find that the OP question was answered before people started talking about chemtrails etc.
It was answered in varying degress in post numbers 2-6 inclusive. Yes, even the bit about buses and the two word answer of Flow Control were valid answers.
Just because someone does not post links to airspace maps then quotes chapter and verse of airspace and/or sector operating procedures (which are actually classified as being commercially restricted) does not mean the question was not answered.
It was a simple question, it required and received a simple answer.
The orignal poster actually states he/she found the info about chemtrails interesting so in fact they have been given an insight into something else (however far fetched), that they might never have heard of.
Thats the beauty of the internet, you can stumble across many different ideas/opinions - a lot of them rubbish but still interesting.
Maybe you should leave the policing of PPRuNe to the moderators. Or even better, leave the answers to the professionals that you so casually sneer at.
I think you will find that the OP question was answered before people started talking about chemtrails etc.
It was answered in varying degress in post numbers 2-6 inclusive. Yes, even the bit about buses and the two word answer of Flow Control were valid answers.
Just because someone does not post links to airspace maps then quotes chapter and verse of airspace and/or sector operating procedures (which are actually classified as being commercially restricted) does not mean the question was not answered.
It was a simple question, it required and received a simple answer.
The orignal poster actually states he/she found the info about chemtrails interesting so in fact they have been given an insight into something else (however far fetched), that they might never have heard of.
Thats the beauty of the internet, you can stumble across many different ideas/opinions - a lot of them rubbish but still interesting.
Maybe you should leave the policing of PPRuNe to the moderators. Or even better, leave the answers to the professionals that you so casually sneer at.
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mr miserable said:
hi, how are you doing?
yup!
aka the dreaded spotter, often seen in laybys accosting dog walkers with how interesting aviation is.....yawn
I haven't the foggiest about a load of aviation stuff. stuff like contrails. All i know about them is that they look good from the ground.
I also like to think I have some knowledge of ATC, as I am an Atco. (speak to my LCE, they may disagree).
I keep planes separated ( try to anyway), and I try to give a professional, expeditious service to all involved.
Away from work, I like to go out and get smashed, a la booze britain. I like to go to watch live sport, and play xbox360 shooting 14 yr old japs via the internet. It doesn't make me any less professional at work.
If people come on here and crack a few jokes, whats the problem? I much prefer to read someones nonsense, but funny, answer than trawl through the informative,uninteresting dross that you would like to have as the only posts on here.
IIIZZZZZ EEEEEEETTTT!!?!?!
Good morning children
Isn't it wonderful how people - under the anonimity of the Web - find it so easier to demean themselves with yah- boo stupidity than behave like adults and use the Forum for its purpose.
Years ago aviation professionals were happy to share knowledge and develop interest in the industry.
Perhaps if those who wrote the trash answers to my posts had taken the time to answer the OP (always assuming of course that they have any knowledge of ATC)
I also like to think I have some knowledge of ATC, as I am an Atco. (speak to my LCE, they may disagree).
I keep planes separated ( try to anyway), and I try to give a professional, expeditious service to all involved.
Away from work, I like to go out and get smashed, a la booze britain. I like to go to watch live sport, and play xbox360 shooting 14 yr old japs via the internet. It doesn't make me any less professional at work.
If people come on here and crack a few jokes, whats the problem? I much prefer to read someones nonsense, but funny, answer than trawl through the informative,uninteresting dross that you would like to have as the only posts on here.
IIIZZZZZ EEEEEEETTTT!!?!?!
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Philbky - you must be an awfully keen Ppruner, posting at 0810 this morning!
Anyway, judging by your posts in this and the other thread, you are quite the aviation enthusiast. I unfortunately don't share your breadth of knowledge of contrails left by B17s, DC8s or Shorts Belfasts, very interesting though it is.
Having read through all of the posts previous to my first post, I felt that the 1000tintoy's question had been adequately answered (in a non-scientific, anecdotal kind of way). You seem to agree with this:
I therefore decided to lighten the tone by posting the Chemtrail link.
Now, this may not appeal to your sense of humour but others have found it amusing and; in 1000tintoys case, also enlightening. This site reveals an extreme, paranoid viewpoint that anyone with an ounce of sense would write-off as rubbish, but maybe, at the same time interesting for anthropological reasons.
I don't think it gives the Chemtrails site any particular credibility by my posting the link in this 'professional' forum, especially in the manner in which it was posted. By not posting the link it would hardly protect 1000tintoys or any other interested party from these extreme viewpoints as, if you care to Google 'contrails', you will discover at no.3 and no.7, links to sites with very similar content.
If you hadn't responded in the way that you did I would have left things there. Being the father of numerous young children and with various other commitments, I don't normally have the time to sit down and type (slowly) long winded posts on this site.
However, to try and be helpful to 1000tintoys, I have given him a link to an article by the Dept. of Environmental Science at Lancaster University, which explains; in a depth greater than the vast majority of us can reach on this site, the formation of contrails and their interaction with the atmosphere.
I have have also pm'ed 1000tintoys links to the UK AIP which contains all of the information he could possibly want about UK airspace.
So, between all of us, we have answered 1000tintoys' questions both anecdotally and scientifically. We may also have revealed an aspect of this subject that he wasn't aware of and we have introduced him to the humour that is prevalent amongst operational staff who; whilst being very professional at their job, also know how to have a good laugh - something one or two others could learn from.
Anyway, judging by your posts in this and the other thread, you are quite the aviation enthusiast. I unfortunately don't share your breadth of knowledge of contrails left by B17s, DC8s or Shorts Belfasts, very interesting though it is.
Having read through all of the posts previous to my first post, I felt that the 1000tintoy's question had been adequately answered (in a non-scientific, anecdotal kind of way). You seem to agree with this:
The OP has had his question answered fully in both this and his other thread.
Now, this may not appeal to your sense of humour but others have found it amusing and; in 1000tintoys case, also enlightening. This site reveals an extreme, paranoid viewpoint that anyone with an ounce of sense would write-off as rubbish, but maybe, at the same time interesting for anthropological reasons.
I don't think it gives the Chemtrails site any particular credibility by my posting the link in this 'professional' forum, especially in the manner in which it was posted. By not posting the link it would hardly protect 1000tintoys or any other interested party from these extreme viewpoints as, if you care to Google 'contrails', you will discover at no.3 and no.7, links to sites with very similar content.
If you hadn't responded in the way that you did I would have left things there. Being the father of numerous young children and with various other commitments, I don't normally have the time to sit down and type (slowly) long winded posts on this site.
However, to try and be helpful to 1000tintoys, I have given him a link to an article by the Dept. of Environmental Science at Lancaster University, which explains; in a depth greater than the vast majority of us can reach on this site, the formation of contrails and their interaction with the atmosphere.
I have have also pm'ed 1000tintoys links to the UK AIP which contains all of the information he could possibly want about UK airspace.
So, between all of us, we have answered 1000tintoys' questions both anecdotally and scientifically. We may also have revealed an aspect of this subject that he wasn't aware of and we have introduced him to the humour that is prevalent amongst operational staff who; whilst being very professional at their job, also know how to have a good laugh - something one or two others could learn from.
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Thanks to everyone who posted a constructive or 'interesting' post.
I have one final question now for all of you, not just Air Traffic Controllers and colleagues; but including thread viewers who didn't submit a reply regarding my original post;
With reference to passenger jet 'formations', bearing in mind you are all around the world, and having read my question and reviewed the answers, did it change your perception of what you are looking at on your screens and when you physically look up into in the air at aircraft passing over?
Did you become aware of something you were not before, that perhaps you had taken for granted?
Did something stand out, that had not done so before?
I am expecting a resounding, "Nope". But who knows maybe something has caught your eye. I would be interested if it has.
I have one final question now for all of you, not just Air Traffic Controllers and colleagues; but including thread viewers who didn't submit a reply regarding my original post;
With reference to passenger jet 'formations', bearing in mind you are all around the world, and having read my question and reviewed the answers, did it change your perception of what you are looking at on your screens and when you physically look up into in the air at aircraft passing over?
Did you become aware of something you were not before, that perhaps you had taken for granted?
Did something stand out, that had not done so before?
I am expecting a resounding, "Nope". But who knows maybe something has caught your eye. I would be interested if it has.
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OK - I'll admit to a certain amount of satisfaction when leaving work after a busy night shift, stepping out into a nice, crisp spring morning, peering up into a clear, blue sky; save from the contrails of the east bound oceanics - spotting individual contrails of traffic that I've just spoken to - kind of re-affirms that it is real.
Gives me a warm glow, knowing all those chemicals will be raining down on an innocent, sleeping populace
Gives me a warm glow, knowing all those chemicals will be raining down on an innocent, sleeping populace
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