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I'd love to know names... Got no idea if I'm about to be insulting but wondered I'd the guy 3rd from the right on back row was Phil Layton?
I've been loving reading all this and 'hearing' you reminiscing...
Glad that I've been lucky enough to know and work with some of you.
Cheers,
Northerner
I'd love to know names... Got no idea if I'm about to be insulting but wondered I'd the guy 3rd from the right on back row was Phil Layton?
I've been loving reading all this and 'hearing' you reminiscing...
Glad that I've been lucky enough to know and work with some of you.
Cheers,
Northerner
Taken when I had hair!
I can remember all the names except two; the guy right hand front who resigned at the end of the Initial Course, and the one sitting between Al Barnes and Kenny Alexander who got 'chopped' during ADC training.
Pity the graduation photo is so small, you'd see Jim Ward covering his 'parts' as I'd just told him his flies were undone.
Nigel Smith contributes to these forms, last I heard he was at Bristol. When I first arrived at Farnborough, the first time I spoke to Fairoaks a familiar voice answered - Colin Scarse!
Back row third from right is not Phil Layton, I think he was on about 21 or 22 Course.
I can remember all the names except two; the guy right hand front who resigned at the end of the Initial Course, and the one sitting between Al Barnes and Kenny Alexander who got 'chopped' during ADC training.
Pity the graduation photo is so small, you'd see Jim Ward covering his 'parts' as I'd just told him his flies were undone.
Nigel Smith contributes to these forms, last I heard he was at Bristol. When I first arrived at Farnborough, the first time I spoke to Fairoaks a familiar voice answered - Colin Scarse!
Back row third from right is not Phil Layton, I think he was on about 21 or 22 Course.
Yes it is Ian (Tiny) McKinnon.
Ron Paris isn't shown as he didn't arrive until day 2; I think he'd been on leave and hence didn't get the message he'd been selected as a late replacement. Can't remember why he was a late replacement, did someone fail their medical?
Ron Paris isn't shown as he didn't arrive until day 2; I think he'd been on leave and hence didn't get the message he'd been selected as a late replacement. Can't remember why he was a late replacement, did someone fail their medical?
Ah yes, Mke Baxter.
Graham Hayward was 'chopped' at Glasgow. He married our very attractive Glasgow landlady and they moved back south. Imagine my surprise when I bumped into them in a supermarket in Farnborough about 4 years later! He reverted to ATCA at West Drayton and they lived in Cove.
Graham Hayward was 'chopped' at Glasgow. He married our very attractive Glasgow landlady and they moved back south. Imagine my surprise when I bumped into them in a supermarket in Farnborough about 4 years later! He reverted to ATCA at West Drayton and they lived in Cove.
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OK Folks here they are:-
Back row L-R
John Woodside, Roy Gregory, Nigel Smith, Nigel Wilshaw, Tony Mason,
Malcolm Ross, Jim Ward, Graham Hayward, Ian McKinnon, Colin Scarse,
Pete Weller.
Front Row L-R
Mike Baggaley, Dave Gallop, Gordon Bain, Kenny Alexander, Mick Baxter,
Alan Barnes, Terry Clark, Dave Brindle, Bob Gosling, Steve Clark, John Gardiner.
I'll re-post the final picture at a better size.
Oh and I also have a picture of 1/2 of an assistants course in 1971 but will need help with a lot of the names. The course was so big it had to be held in the Income Tax building in Bournemouth and we had to have 2 photo's as they couldn't get us all in in one!
Back row L-R
John Woodside, Roy Gregory, Nigel Smith, Nigel Wilshaw, Tony Mason,
Malcolm Ross, Jim Ward, Graham Hayward, Ian McKinnon, Colin Scarse,
Pete Weller.
Front Row L-R
Mike Baggaley, Dave Gallop, Gordon Bain, Kenny Alexander, Mick Baxter,
Alan Barnes, Terry Clark, Dave Brindle, Bob Gosling, Steve Clark, John Gardiner.
I'll re-post the final picture at a better size.
Oh and I also have a picture of 1/2 of an assistants course in 1971 but will need help with a lot of the names. The course was so big it had to be held in the Income Tax building in Bournemouth and we had to have 2 photo's as they couldn't get us all in in one!
Add Ron Paris and you get 23 ATCO cadets on 23 Cadet Course; one resigned and 16 eventually graduated after 3 years training in ALL civil ATC disciplines.
How does that compare with modern StATCO courses which are far shorter and usually train only one or two disciplines.
How does that compare with modern StATCO courses which are far shorter and usually train only one or two disciplines.
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John Gardiner was on my 'class to class' aerodrome course in Nov 73 but I have a nagging feeling that maybe he had started a cadet course and for some reason did not continue. There were 2 other Jersey guys; Mike Blompied and the lovely Pauline!
Chevvron (got it right this time!) - don't forget the PAR rating we did at Shawbury with Martin Trickett winter of 83/4!
The advantage of doing the rating courses the way I did (aerodrome 73/4,area/area radar '74,apc '80 and apr radar '83 ) was that you got to know lots more people. Disadvantage was knuckling down when you were older and taking 'crap' at Hurn when you had a few years experience.
Chevvron (got it right this time!) - don't forget the PAR rating we did at Shawbury with Martin Trickett winter of 83/4!
The advantage of doing the rating courses the way I did (aerodrome 73/4,area/area radar '74,apc '80 and apr radar '83 ) was that you got to know lots more people. Disadvantage was knuckling down when you were older and taking 'crap' at Hurn when you had a few years experience.
Yes I remember our PAR course. Talk about a 'crash' course what was it, about 3.5 days?
Trickett got enamoured with that female RAF instructor; one of the RAF guys got into a drinking session with us and we were all OK next day but he had a raging hangover.
Re John Gardiner. We did a 4 week Initial Course basically to prepare us for the PPL Course which came next. We were all stunned on the last day when Mike (teeth 'n trousers) Hunt came in and read us John's letter of resignation. His wife was staying with him on the mainland and we wondered if that was the problem.
Trickett got enamoured with that female RAF instructor; one of the RAF guys got into a drinking session with us and we were all OK next day but he had a raging hangover.
Re John Gardiner. We did a 4 week Initial Course basically to prepare us for the PPL Course which came next. We were all stunned on the last day when Mike (teeth 'n trousers) Hunt came in and read us John's letter of resignation. His wife was staying with him on the mainland and we wondered if that was the problem.
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Martin Trickett is in NZ now I believe. He had an interesting trick when handing over a position - he'd pull your headset plug out and quickly tie it to the handle on the CCTV display, very, very tightly! Thankfully he only did it on dual positions with two controllers!!
Marty
HD yes you are right about NZ. I remember the first time I saw Tricky,day one at Boscombe Steve Palmer and I were being shown the Approach Room,a phone rang at a consol(e?), the controller answers 'Lay it on me Brize', we nearly wet ourselves.
This was followed a few minutes later by the arrival of a tennis player wearing a Walkman who proceeded to sit in front of the PAR position saying something like 'I'm free'. Thus our first sighting of the late Bobby Cowell.
A few weeks later our intrepid duo were sharing the Approach One function,as believe it or not it was quite busy,when they both had Maydays.Marty had a FRADU Hunter with an engine failure on climb-out and Bobby a Lightning returning from a supersonic run low on fuel.The banter between them was priceless. Much to Tricky's embarrassment he was awarded a Good Show and had his picture in the RAF flight safety mag' Air Clues!
This was followed a few minutes later by the arrival of a tennis player wearing a Walkman who proceeded to sit in front of the PAR position saying something like 'I'm free'. Thus our first sighting of the late Bobby Cowell.
A few weeks later our intrepid duo were sharing the Approach One function,as believe it or not it was quite busy,when they both had Maydays.Marty had a FRADU Hunter with an engine failure on climb-out and Bobby a Lightning returning from a supersonic run low on fuel.The banter between them was priceless. Much to Tricky's embarrassment he was awarded a Good Show and had his picture in the RAF flight safety mag' Air Clues!
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Yes; and just after that, the bearded assistant distributing the strips is John Kimberly, Maggie Ireland's partner at the time.
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Great stuff, Brian. They were both insane. I remember going back into Approach after a break to hear Bobby screaming "It's me, quickly - I'm doubly incontinent!" Don't make 'em like that nowadays...
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Well at last, here's the graduation photo from 23 Cadet course 1974
Back Row L-R
Bob Gosling, Ian McKinnon, Steve Clarke, Malcolm Ross, Ron Paris, Dave Brindle, Pete Weller.
Front Row L-R
Jim Ward, Gordon Bain, Mike Baggeley, Kenny Alexander, Nigel Wilshaw,
Tony Mason, Terry Clarke, Dave Gallop, Alan Barnes
As Chrevon noted, Jim Ward is trying to cover a "wardrobe malfunction" with his zip
and Malcolm Ross had to stand at the back to disguise a hand in plaster due to a football match on the Terminal course! We never did things by half..