Low pass - when is rwy occupied?
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Low pass - when is rwy occupied?
Hi.
If an ac is doing a low pass/flyby, how low can it go before the runway is seen as occupied? I seem to remember something about 500 ft agl, but can't find the reference in 4444 etc.
Anybody out there that can help me?
/th
If an ac is doing a low pass/flyby, how low can it go before the runway is seen as occupied? I seem to remember something about 500 ft agl, but can't find the reference in 4444 etc.
Anybody out there that can help me?
/th
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From (UK CAP493) MATS Part 1 page 2.1.14
does this mean that I'm not to be sent arround if I have descended below 400 feet awaiting landing clearance? 
18 Missed Approach Restrictions
18.1 If the runway in use is occupied by aircraft or vehicles, an approaching aircraft shall not be cleared to carry out a missed approach procedure which includes a descent below 400 feet above the threshold elevation. When the missed approach instruction is restricted to 400 feet or above the pilot is to be informed of the aircraft or vehicles on the runway.
18.2 The runway in use shall be kept clear of aircraft and vehicles if an approaching aircraft is likely to descend below 400 feet above the threshold elevation.
18.1 If the runway in use is occupied by aircraft or vehicles, an approaching aircraft shall not be cleared to carry out a missed approach procedure which includes a descent below 400 feet above the threshold elevation. When the missed approach instruction is restricted to 400 feet or above the pilot is to be informed of the aircraft or vehicles on the runway.
18.2 The runway in use shall be kept clear of aircraft and vehicles if an approaching aircraft is likely to descend below 400 feet above the threshold elevation.
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Thanx, but this is an uk- only regulation. I,m currently attending college with a multi-national attendance without local or national regulation covering this.
Could there be anything about this in 8168?
Could there be anything about this in 8168?
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If it's a low pass/flyby as opposed to a missed approach I think it's governed by Rule 5 in the UK (no closer than 500 ft to persons, vessels etc etc.). I imagine the ICAO equivalent will apply outside the UK.
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Minimum altitudes are 500ft above terrain and 1000ft above populated areas. you're only allowed to go below if you're landing or taking off.
Since the runway mostly isn't populated (other than birds just waiting to make a fly-by just in front of the next 737) I guess 500ft and above does not count as using the runway, ergo ....
Since the runway mostly isn't populated (other than birds just waiting to make a fly-by just in front of the next 737) I guess 500ft and above does not count as using the runway, ergo ....
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This is only valid for VFR ...
In our cases at school most fly-bys are made by IFR; ergo 1000 ft over terrain or 2000 ft over montaineous areas are valid. This in most cases are bollocks, cause most IFRs doing low passes will go below 1000 ft for their fly-by.
TH
In our cases at school most fly-bys are made by IFR; ergo 1000 ft over terrain or 2000 ft over montaineous areas are valid. This in most cases are bollocks, cause most IFRs doing low passes will go below 1000 ft for their fly-by.
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Regard the rwy as beeing occupied
If you clear an a/c for a low approach good practice is to keep the runway free in case of ...
For instance if a B747 is making an approach and apply power to climb at his minima the wheels will be very close to touching the ground.
For instance if a B747 is making an approach and apply power to climb at his minima the wheels will be very close to touching the ground.
