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Old 7th Jan 2009, 21:01
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The NAS replacement is iTEC but it may not be deployed to all centres at the same time. If it isn't the ex MAC sectors are more likely to move to iTEC when LAC does rather than when ScAC does.
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Why ? MACC and ScACC will be operating as a single Centre. Why would you split a quarter of the room on to a totally different system ??
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Why would you split a quarter of the room on to a totally different system??
Have you looked at the boundaries between the Volumes of Responsibility of MACC+ScACC and Swanwick? You could end up with multiple inter-system handovers on a flight climbing into Scottish airspace. The operators might not be too keen on any constraints which might be applied to limit these.
(And this still seems to be the wrong thread!)
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Originally Posted by PPRuNe Radar
Why ? MACC and ScACC will be operating as a single Centre. Why would you split a quarter of the room on to a totally different system ??
Correct and soon after EFD goes live there will be cross training between the Local Area Groups.

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Originally Posted by eglnyt
The NAS replacement is iTEC but it may not be deployed to all centres at the same time. If it isn't the ex MAC sectors are more likely to move to iTEC when LAC does rather than when ScAC does.
The deployment of iTEC is a work in progress and, irrespective of the Manchester Shelf problem, Prestwick Centre will be a single integrated centre. I cannot envisage any circumstance where a single centre and its associated systems would be diverged with some sectors operating on one system and some on another (ignoring iFACTS for the moment). NATS is converging systems (anyone heard of the roadmap?) so that we eventually have a single system at 2 centres (LAC and LTC will combine at some point) Swanwick & Prestwick.

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...soon after EFD goes live...
That'll be if EFD goes live for TMA sectors...
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That'll be if EFD goes live for TMA sectors...
One system across the Ops room, EFD.

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if it is proven to work in the TMA environment...
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Originally Posted by anotherthing
if it is proven to work in the TMA environment...
I thought I was fairly close to the EFD team but you're obviously privy to information I'm not aware of.

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(anyone heard of the roadmap?)
Anyone heard of Project 3909?
Those with access to project documents may care to look at
Operational ATC Assessment of a Phased Transition to iTEC and NAS and Related Systems Changes to Support iTEC Phased Transition

They may have been produced by people who are suffering from caffeine OD from too much time in Starbucks, but the options proposed are still under consideration.
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Initially NAS will drive the MACC sectors and iTEC will drive ScAC at PC.
To clarify - this relates to the first phase of ITEC, EFD may well go into LTC first as its an option.

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Originally Posted by Minesapint
Initially NAS will drive the MACC sectors and iTEC will drive ScAC at PC.
I hate to disagree with you mate but iTEC is years away from deployment and PC 'O' date is less than a year off and it is going live with NAS in the Ops room.
ScACC and MACC cease to exist at PC 'O' date, all the sectors integrate into Prestwick Centre.

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Old 9th Jan 2009, 07:42
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Originally Posted by PeltonLevel
Anyone heard of Project 3909?
Those with access to project documents may care to look at
Operational ATC Assessment of a Phased Transition to iTEC and NAS and Related Systems Changes to Support iTEC Phased Transition
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Thanks for that, anyone in NATS should be able to access the MRI (Master Records Index). Interesting to see the prophesy of the Manchester shelf issues (raised many years ago) come to fruition.
I particularly enjoyed the ATC documentwhich serves to show the gap between the engineering solution and the ATC 'need'.
Lots more work needed though, especially if they're going to put some PC sectors on iTEC and leave some on NAS for a long period of time during the phased transition. Anyone taking any bets on when iTEC will be introduced, to the nearest decade
They may have been produced by people who are suffering from caffeine OD from too much time in Starbucks, but the options proposed are still under consideration.
Don't think the ATC author has time to do Starbucks given the hours he spends at work, but the engineers.....

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Don't think the ATC author has time to do Starbucks given the hours he spends at work, but the engineers.....
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mode S I believe in the LAC ops room by Feb2010, which is coincidental with the planned iFACTS albeit limited sectors 'O' date. If and when iFACTS slips we have been assured than MODE S still comes in as one project is not dependant on the other.
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Mode S will indeed be in the OPS room from Feb 2010 and is completely independant of iFACTs dates
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As intended then DXoes this mean that "CTC slime" have a purpose?
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