Eurocontrol Testing and Interviews
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From: not telling
@ Elafrican:
You can do what you want and say what you want - its your life and your opportunity.
You have a group of people on here (both successful and unsuccessful) Eurocontrol trainees trying to offer unbiased and helpful opinion.
If you would like to ignore it, feel free. It will not bother any of us
Lets see if you make it to the other side......
I wager not.
You can do what you want and say what you want - its your life and your opportunity.
You have a group of people on here (both successful and unsuccessful) Eurocontrol trainees trying to offer unbiased and helpful opinion.
If you would like to ignore it, feel free. It will not bother any of us
Lets see if you make it to the other side......
I wager not.
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: moon
2 quick questions
1)at the ''planning ability test'' which aircraft have priority.. the faster one or the one that is closer to the runaway?
2)At ''reaction by rules test'' the ''same button'' is for the forms that have the same shape regardless the color (if the rule is is sorting by shapes) or for the forms which have the same shape AND color?
i am talking about the official feast test and not for the training sites online
2)At ''reaction by rules test'' the ''same button'' is for the forms that have the same shape regardless the color (if the rule is is sorting by shapes) or for the forms which have the same shape AND color?
i am talking about the official feast test and not for the training sites online
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From: UKCC
Thee highest priority give to the faster aircraft. Don't pay attention to the closest a\c.
And about rules. You shoud press match when the color and the shape the same!
green triangle green triangle "match".
We had it in Ukraine.
And about rules. You shoud press match when the color and the shape the same!
green triangle green triangle "match".
We had it in Ukraine.
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From: germany
You will get your instructions. Do what they tell you and you will pass it. The more you know, the higher is the chance that you are stressed because you think you have to keep so many things in mind.
I understand that you want to know as much as possible about the test,but it makes the test useless. Being spontaneous is a very important skill.
I understand that you want to know as much as possible about the test,but it makes the test useless. Being spontaneous is a very important skill.
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From: Malta
ATC Training Passrate
I am getting fed up of all these dramatic posts describing the high failure rate of ATC training. I was told from high officials that 98% of the FEAST candidates which passed the FEAST tests as well as the psychological test PASS the ATC training. Some people are quoting numbers such as 50%. That is highly unacceptable and if it is true, all ATC schools would have gone bankrupt by then.
So please, don't post any discouraging posts. I'm about to initiate ATC training at Skyguide next April if I will pass the medical exam, so some psychological support is highly appreciated.
So please, don't post any discouraging posts. I'm about to initiate ATC training at Skyguide next April if I will pass the medical exam, so some psychological support is highly appreciated.
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From: germany
There is a difference between passing the training being a good atco.
Keep in mind that(for example) muac has a very high workload.
And these numbers such as 50% are official numbers,published by eurocontrol itself.
I know that it's not what you want to hear. But i think it's better to be prepared, that many fail the training insted of thinking"i passed the feast so i will not have any problems with the training".
;-)
Keep in mind that(for example) muac has a very high workload.
And these numbers such as 50% are official numbers,published by eurocontrol itself.
I know that it's not what you want to hear. But i think it's better to be prepared, that many fail the training insted of thinking"i passed the feast so i will not have any problems with the training".
;-)
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From: Maastricht
Ivanofski,
your 98% may be true for the basic training, even though I think it is a high number for that as well.
However, I have started training almost 5 years ago (and happily qualified for about 1,5 years, yay) and I can tell you that of all the people who started basic training, quite a bit LESS than 50% have made it to fully licensed ATCO.
My ab-initio course started with 8 people, there's 3 of us left, all licensed.
There was a big group (over 15 people) of which just over half made it out of basic training.
So you shouldn't take any of these numbers as trying to be discouraging, but more as a realistic way of how things happen.
In any case, if you have what it takes to do the job and you dedicate yourself to the training, you will most likely make it. Almost everybody is going to try their best to help you get to the end of your training, but you'll still be the one who has to put in the (huge) effort.
your 98% may be true for the basic training, even though I think it is a high number for that as well.
However, I have started training almost 5 years ago (and happily qualified for about 1,5 years, yay) and I can tell you that of all the people who started basic training, quite a bit LESS than 50% have made it to fully licensed ATCO.
My ab-initio course started with 8 people, there's 3 of us left, all licensed.
There was a big group (over 15 people) of which just over half made it out of basic training.
So you shouldn't take any of these numbers as trying to be discouraging, but more as a realistic way of how things happen.
In any case, if you have what it takes to do the job and you dedicate yourself to the training, you will most likely make it. Almost everybody is going to try their best to help you get to the end of your training, but you'll still be the one who has to put in the (huge) effort.
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From: UKCC
Hey guys.
An one question for those who pass DART! How do you find hard this kind of test for you. Cause, i can simply control more than 20 a/c in simulator ATC training, but in this test it's quite hard to just control 5-7 a/c... and now, i'm a little worried...
An one question for those who pass DART! How do you find hard this kind of test for you. Cause, i can simply control more than 20 a/c in simulator ATC training, but in this test it's quite hard to just control 5-7 a/c... and now, i'm a little worried...
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From: Malta
But what is the major factor that leads to failure? Is it determination?! I'm that kind of person who invests a great deal of time in studying and always did extremely well in any exam. I'm also an ATC enthusiast so I don't lack motivation as well. I'm highly afraid about the aptitude that many people mention, because its something that you can't do anything about it.
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From: Maastricht
That's the difficulty, probably, the aptitude bit. Either you have it or you don't. And since it is something that you cannot do anything about, you really shouldn't be afraid of it, but just accept it whichever way it goes.
The fact that you show a lot of interest and motivation will already get you quite a way towards your goal.
I've heard on numerous occasions that with an infinite amount of time and money, anyone can be taught to control aircraft. This would however not make you an air traffic controller, because that requires a skill set that either you do or you don't have... which is also why there is a set limit on the amount of time you can spend in each stage of training.
No amount of preparations for feasttests and similar will give you this skill set, and if they don't notice the lack of it during the interview, it will probably get found out quite quickly during training.
The fact that you show a lot of interest and motivation will already get you quite a way towards your goal.
I've heard on numerous occasions that with an infinite amount of time and money, anyone can be taught to control aircraft. This would however not make you an air traffic controller, because that requires a skill set that either you do or you don't have... which is also why there is a set limit on the amount of time you can spend in each stage of training.
No amount of preparations for feasttests and similar will give you this skill set, and if they don't notice the lack of it during the interview, it will probably get found out quite quickly during training.
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: somewhere
Hello everyone!
I just passed the Feast part 1 and I can only tell you, that none of the programs (Skytest or feasttest) is helping. I also had a lot of friends who failed the test (6) even though they`ve practiced a lot. One of them didn`t pass the Learning and applying rules test, 2 of them failed the english and the rest failed the Planning ability test. It is very true.. you have it or not. None of the programs can help you. By the way, the real test is different than the preparation tools.
Good luck to all of you taking the test!
I just passed the Feast part 1 and I can only tell you, that none of the programs (Skytest or feasttest) is helping. I also had a lot of friends who failed the test (6) even though they`ve practiced a lot. One of them didn`t pass the Learning and applying rules test, 2 of them failed the english and the rest failed the Planning ability test. It is very true.. you have it or not. None of the programs can help you. By the way, the real test is different than the preparation tools.
Good luck to all of you taking the test!
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From: yorkshire
Hello mate,
Jus wanted to ask, how long it takes from your very first day of test till the actual time u start your training (of course if u pass it).
I am currently employed but looking for a career as ATC, so if i do go for the exam have to apply for the leave or to make some other arrangements!
Your reply would b really appreciable..........
Jus wanted to ask, how long it takes from your very first day of test till the actual time u start your training (of course if u pass it).
I am currently employed but looking for a career as ATC, so if i do go for the exam have to apply for the leave or to make some other arrangements!
Your reply would b really appreciable..........
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From: Europe
What are the differences between real DART and prep tools?
Hey isa 17,
please be as kind as to let us know what the differences are between the real test and the preparation tools (Skytest and Feasttest.com)!
Thank you!
please be as kind as to let us know what the differences are between the real test and the preparation tools (Skytest and Feasttest.com)!
Thank you!
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From: Nowhere
Hello again.
A couple of things I want to say. First I want to acknowledge some peeps here that said some true stuff. You were right, no preparation in the world can make you ready for becoming a good ATC, or even for the test. I was very amazed to see that they differ by a huge amount. The only problem was that when I read all those 56 pages and everyone said "you are going to fail if you practice " and etc., it made my moral go down... So I apologize for being so offensive, didn't mean that. I just had the impression you want to discourage people.
edit: Nvm then, if some might find it misleading I won't say anything. Do as you like. Just wanted to apologize to certain people.
Take care and good luck at testing.
A couple of things I want to say. First I want to acknowledge some peeps here that said some true stuff. You were right, no preparation in the world can make you ready for becoming a good ATC, or even for the test. I was very amazed to see that they differ by a huge amount. The only problem was that when I read all those 56 pages and everyone said "you are going to fail if you practice " and etc., it made my moral go down... So I apologize for being so offensive, didn't mean that. I just had the impression you want to discourage people.
edit: Nvm then, if some might find it misleading I won't say anything. Do as you like. Just wanted to apologize to certain people.
Take care and good luck at testing.
Last edited by elafrican; 8th February 2012 at 22:24.
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From: anywhere
From what I've heard, the differences are important enought to count. Maybe the principle is the same, but the real test is like being live compared to being recorded.
I have some questions about Dart:
1. Have smb. noticed that sometimes the final result is smaller than all subtasks result? Why is this happening?
2. What means exactly distance to checkpoint minimized? I mean, how can I improve it?
3. What other tools are recommended for preparation, besides those 2 mentioned in the previous post?
Have a nice day!
I have some questions about Dart:
1. Have smb. noticed that sometimes the final result is smaller than all subtasks result? Why is this happening?
2. What means exactly distance to checkpoint minimized? I mean, how can I improve it?
3. What other tools are recommended for preparation, besides those 2 mentioned in the previous post?
Have a nice day!
