Readback a clearance
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Readback a clearance
Hi folks!
just a question, you are holding short of a runway and there is a traffic in short final, the ATC say "(your callsign) behind landing traffic on short final behind, line up and wait runway x". What´s the correct form to answer him/her?
1º behind landing traffic, behind line up and wait runway x and your call sign.
2º behind landing traffic line up and wait runway x ,behind and your call sign.
3ºbehind landing traffic line up and wait runway x your callsign , behind.
thank´s for help me!
just a question, you are holding short of a runway and there is a traffic in short final, the ATC say "(your callsign) behind landing traffic on short final behind, line up and wait runway x". What´s the correct form to answer him/her?
1º behind landing traffic, behind line up and wait runway x and your call sign.
2º behind landing traffic line up and wait runway x ,behind and your call sign.
3ºbehind landing traffic line up and wait runway x your callsign , behind.
thank´s for help me!
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None of the above
The phrase should be "after the landing "
eg ATC " GBXXX after the landing( a/c type ) line up " rwy can be added if necessary.
you would reply accordingly.
At least it is in the UK
The phrase should be "after the landing "
eg ATC " GBXXX after the landing( a/c type ) line up " rwy can be added if necessary.
you would reply accordingly.
At least it is in the UK
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ICAO phraseology:
"Behind the landing xxxx on short final line up and wait runway xx behind"
UK phraseology:
"After the landing xxxx on short final line up and wait runway xx"
"Behind the landing xxxx on short final line up and wait runway xx behind"
UK phraseology:
"After the landing xxxx on short final line up and wait runway xx"
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It depands about whose phraseology we are talking about.
ICAO says:
ICAO says:
12.2.7 Conditional phrases, such as "behind landing aircraft" or "after departing aircraft", shall not be used for movements affecting the active runway(s), except when the aircraft or vehicles concerned are seen by the appropriate controller and pilot. The aircraft or vehicle causing the condition in the clearance issued shall be the first aircraft/vehicle to pass in front of the other aircraft concerned. In all cases a conditional clearance shall be given in the following order and consist of:
a) identification;
b) the condition;
c) the clearance; and
d) brief reiteration of the condition,
for example:
"SAS 941, BEHIND DC9 ON SHORT FINAL, LINE UP BEHIND".
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MATS 1 says:
When line-up will take place at a position other than for a full-length runway departure the intermediate holding point designator shall be included in the line-up instruction.
Controllers may include holding point designators in any clearance to line-up as
considered appropriate.
At LL - it's always used no matter where you're going from just to improve situational awareness and also as a last-line of defence against saying the wrong callsign or something similar.
When line-up will take place at a position other than for a full-length runway departure the intermediate holding point designator shall be included in the line-up instruction.
Controllers may include holding point designators in any clearance to line-up as
considered appropriate.
At LL - it's always used no matter where you're going from just to improve situational awareness and also as a last-line of defence against saying the wrong callsign or something similar.
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NATS may say their controllers have to do it, but I certainly wouldn't call it "best practice"!
How many bits of information are in:
"After the departing Pan Am 727 on your right, line up and wait 28L at A2E"?
I dislike the new format as a lot of vebiage has been added with no gain in situational awareness. In fact, the numbing process of listening to the information and repeating it all back before it escapes my short term memory means that I often couldn't tell you what I had just said!!
G W-H
NATS may say their controllers have to do it, but I certainly wouldn't call it "best practice"!
How many bits of information are in:
"After the departing Pan Am 727 on your right, line up and wait 28L at A2E"?
I dislike the new format as a lot of vebiage has been added with no gain in situational awareness. In fact, the numbing process of listening to the information and repeating it all back before it escapes my short term memory means that I often couldn't tell you what I had just said!!
G W-H