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Sorry to show my ignorance (question probably posed previously) but does anyone know when the move to the new ATCC is scheduled to take place. I understand that the sub centre currently located at Manchester is due to be incorporated into the new facility - will the call sign still be "Manchester Control" or will pilots be calling Scotish as they climb out south over Cheshire?
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I wouldn't think the R/T callsign will be affected by the geographical location of the unit, otherwise there would be a "Swanwick Director" for EGLL, or maybe even a "Starbucks Control" !! 
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There will be a phased transition, the dates currently being worked to (not set in stone except MACC) are the military going live in November 2009, ScACC in December and MACC in January 2010.
The callsign of Prestwick Centre is under discussion and will be subject to approval by DAP.
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The callsign of Prestwick Centre is under discussion and will be subject to approval by DAP.
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No discussion, the New Scottish Centre will have two callsigns. Those sectors currently run by Manchester will have the callsign "Manchester Control", the sectors currently run by Scottish will have the callsign "Scottish Control". Nobody is going to alter that, I'm not using a different callsign to placate the Manch controllers, and the Manch guys aren't stupid such that using some generic w*nky callsign is going to make the move any easier.
And that's from the horses mouth, not it's arse.
PS VOTE NO
And that's from the horses mouth, not it's arse.
PS VOTE NO
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Prestwick Centre will have a single callsign, mandated by law.BD
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There will be only one callsign at PC. What it will be I don't know but, once cross training starts you cannot have one quarter of the Ops Room (layout not size) calling themselves something different.
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"Which law would that be"?
The law according to BDiONU, which is often total horsesh1t, as frequent readers of these fora will already be aware.
STANSTED RADAR, - at Swanwick.
GATWICK RADAR, - at Swanwick.
LUTON RADAR, - at Swanwick.
HEATHROW DIRECTOR, - at Swanwick.
LONDON CONTROL, at, wait for it....Swanwick.
THAMES RADAR, - at Tower Bridge?.....Nope! - Swanwick, (Yawn).
LIVERPOOL RADAR, AND, DONCASTER RADAR - at John Lennon. (No, I don't understand that either)!
TUTH - "You cannot have one quarter of the ops room calling themselves something different". Oh yes you can!
The law according to BDiONU, which is often total horsesh1t, as frequent readers of these fora will already be aware.
STANSTED RADAR, - at Swanwick.
GATWICK RADAR, - at Swanwick.
LUTON RADAR, - at Swanwick.
HEATHROW DIRECTOR, - at Swanwick.
LONDON CONTROL, at, wait for it....Swanwick.
THAMES RADAR, - at Tower Bridge?.....Nope! - Swanwick, (Yawn).
LIVERPOOL RADAR, AND, DONCASTER RADAR - at John Lennon. (No, I don't understand that either)!
TUTH - "You cannot have one quarter of the ops room calling themselves something different". Oh yes you can!
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Not forgetting:-
PENNINE RADAR.
and of course, LIVERPOOL RADAR, both of which, I believe, once shared the same ops room as MANCHESTER CONTROL.
PENNINE RADAR.
and of course, LIVERPOOL RADAR, both of which, I believe, once shared the same ops room as MANCHESTER CONTROL.
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Sorry to pee on your corn flakes chaps, but there is something written in one of those mindless ICAO docs that tries to standardise ATCC callsigns. I'm not convinced it is enshrined in UK law but, assuming the UK hasn't filed a difference, I guess there will be a common name. Certainly the mil adopted "London Mil" when Swanwick/LATCC(Mil) merged.
Pennine Radar, what's that? I thought you lot off-loaded that particular task to LATCC(Mil) a few years back.
Pennine Radar, what's that? I thought you lot off-loaded that particular task to LATCC(Mil) a few years back.
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NATS apply to the Directorate of Airspace Policy for a unit callsign and DAP decides on what the unit callsign may be. ATSSD licences the unit to provide an ATC service using the callsign which they're authorised to use. The law to which I'm refering is the licence.
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well, if its based on what the licence says, I hope that the guys at manch get a big payrise if they have to change their licences to scottish control. After all, scotland is much bigger than manchester....!