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Rumour has it that "Manchester Control" will be the chosen callsign 
. This way management can trick the Manch guys into thinking they are still in Manchester, and also prevent them throwing the toys out of the pram when they eventually move up 
. This way management can trick the Manch guys into thinking they are still in Manchester, and also prevent them throwing the toys out of the pram when they eventually move up
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It would make for an easier transition if the MACC sectors kept their current Manchester callsigns. But if there IS going to be a single callsign I think there are 3 options:
1) Since we currently have London Control and Manchester Control, Scottish should really be Prestwick Control
2) Pick a point in between the 2 and call it Windemere Control
3) Let Zooker decide on the name - and then start your own TV talk show, that'd be ace
1) Since we currently have London Control and Manchester Control, Scottish should really be Prestwick Control
2) Pick a point in between the 2 and call it Windemere Control
3) Let Zooker decide on the name - and then start your own TV talk show, that'd be ace
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Don't claim to know the full in's and out's, but supposedly Prestwick wasn't used in the early days for the ACC because the Prestwick Oceanic Area Control Centre (POACC) had already nabbed it.
NATS have now more or less dropped the word Prestwick in this context and now simply refer in print to the "Oceanic Area Control Centre" located at Prestwick. (Despite the brass plaque in the corridor outside the old Ocean ops room and beside the entrance to the new still bearing the 'P' word).
A precident has already been set on the other side of the pond where NAVCANADA have seemingly managed to cope very well with an ACC which deals with both oceanic and domestic traffic from within the same ops room, while using the same ident: Gander. Can't see the problem with a single ident, after all, if the Canucks can cope, I'm sure we'll do likewise. With "Shanwick" being used alongside "Prestwick", unlike the situation with Gander, there'll be absolutely no chance of confusion between domestic and ocean.
(BTW, the only time a Shanwick ATCO is likely to I-D themselves as being "Prestwick" is to Shanwick Radio Operators at "Ballygirreen", otherwise you'd get a situation of "Shanwick", "Shanwick", "No, this is Shanwick" "No, I'm Shanwick, you called me" "Negative, you called ..."
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NATS have now more or less dropped the word Prestwick in this context and now simply refer in print to the "Oceanic Area Control Centre" located at Prestwick. (Despite the brass plaque in the corridor outside the old Ocean ops room and beside the entrance to the new still bearing the 'P' word).
A precident has already been set on the other side of the pond where NAVCANADA have seemingly managed to cope very well with an ACC which deals with both oceanic and domestic traffic from within the same ops room, while using the same ident: Gander. Can't see the problem with a single ident, after all, if the Canucks can cope, I'm sure we'll do likewise. With "Shanwick" being used alongside "Prestwick", unlike the situation with Gander, there'll be absolutely no chance of confusion between domestic and ocean.
(BTW, the only time a Shanwick ATCO is likely to I-D themselves as being "Prestwick" is to Shanwick Radio Operators at "Ballygirreen", otherwise you'd get a situation of "Shanwick", "Shanwick", "No, this is Shanwick" "No, I'm Shanwick, you called me" "Negative, you called ..."
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I wouldn't say that the Gander ident for 2 different units works very well. If I had a pound for every time I've heard someone check in with Gander Centre with a full position report or check in with Gander Radio with just flight level, I'd be a rich man.
Not that this adds anything to your discussion, but I thought I'd mention it.
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I wouldn't say that the Gander ident for 2 different units works very well. If I had a pound for every time I've heard someone check in with Gander Centre with a full position report or check in with Gander Radio with just flight level, I'd be a rich man.
Not that this adds anything to your discussion, but I thought I'd mention it.
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Giles / BD - good points well made.
Indeed Prestwick airport might have as much fun as Gander airport. I guess that's when use of the the suffix (or is that 'suffi' ?) "Ground" "Tower" "Approach" and "Centre" come into their own.
Indeed Prestwick airport might have as much fun as Gander airport. I guess that's when use of the the suffix (or is that 'suffi' ?) "Ground" "Tower" "Approach" and "Centre" come into their own.
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How about Edinburgh Control all ready for independance?
Why was the decison taken to move Manchester to Prestwick not Swannick, thus keeping control in England. (incidently was Swannick chosen because it ends in "ick")
When the Scots gain nidepndance they will presumably charge to provide atc for Manchester?
Why was the decison taken to move Manchester to Prestwick not Swannick, thus keeping control in England. (incidently was Swannick chosen because it ends in "ick")
When the Scots gain nidepndance they will presumably charge to provide atc for Manchester?
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No doubt controversial and probably politically incorrect but why not move the whole show to SE Asia – could then have a complete service – banking, medical appointments, on line shopping, directory inquiries, and takeoff clearances all from the flight deck!
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Might cause an issue with Prestwick airport who use the Prestwick callsign.
Is someone at FL350 going to be confused that he might be talking to Prestwick Tower when he really needs to be with the Area Control Centre (ACC) ?? Is someone in the circuit at Prestwick going to be confused that he might be talking to the ACC ?? Of course they aren't. They will be talking to an assigned frequency or one which they have freecalled from a chart or aeronautical publication.
I think it's just an obstacle being put in place by those that don't know any better. They possibly have other names in mind for political or selfish reasons and are trying to hide behind the age old cover all 'It's the CAAs fault' smokescreen.
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Is this new facility near the old one?
Will have to help out here! A good callsign could be "Eh Pure Control" with translation lessons being started early:
Go it yeerseelf, big chap = Resume own navigation
Oan yer bike = Cleared for takeoff
Naw yer gawn eh wrong way = Turn right 10 degrees, report new heading
Hawd yer weisht = Radio silence please
F'k ye dain = Report your speed
Gees a clue = Squaw Ident
Am fair scunnered, big chap = Radar services terminated
Aye atsrite = Readback correct
Hauld it right there = Break
= Correction
Jist his wance mare = I say again
Geez yer patter = Pass your message
Wit wir ye toalt?! = Require a readback
Hauld it im droonin = Standby
Spoatoan = Affirm
Confirm? = Ye sh&ttin me pal?
Anymore suggestions?
Will have to help out here! A good callsign could be "Eh Pure Control" with translation lessons being started early:
Go it yeerseelf, big chap = Resume own navigation
Oan yer bike = Cleared for takeoff
Naw yer gawn eh wrong way = Turn right 10 degrees, report new heading
Hawd yer weisht = Radio silence please
F'k ye dain = Report your speed
Gees a clue = Squaw Ident
Am fair scunnered, big chap = Radar services terminated
Aye atsrite = Readback correct
Hauld it right there = Break
= CorrectionJist his wance mare = I say again
Geez yer patter = Pass your message
Wit wir ye toalt?! = Require a readback
Hauld it im droonin = Standby
Spoatoan = Affirm
Confirm? = Ye sh&ttin me pal?
Anymore suggestions?
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You DO know Prestwick isn't Glasgow, contrary to what Ryanair propaganda says. Parliamo Glesga doesn't apply surely !
That's like thinking Manchester is in er....Liverpool......!
No one in Ayrshire has ever said "pure dead brilliant" mate. That's why the marketing slogan at PIK is so naff. It's pure weegie, and bad 1980s weegie at that.
That's like thinking Manchester is in er....Liverpool......!
Kilmarnock is a pretty bad place for the neds and Ayrshire people still do speak the patter at times! (Hence the slogan 'Pure Dead Brilliant' )
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I sure hope I do since I live in Glasgow!!
Kilmarnock is a pretty bad place for the neds and Ayrshire people still do speak the patter at times! (Hence the slogan 'Pure Dead Brilliant'
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Kilmarnock is a pretty bad place for the neds and Ayrshire people still do speak the patter at times! (Hence the slogan 'Pure Dead Brilliant'
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Anglia Radar,done from Aberdeen has the callsign Anglia Radar
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Yes it does and I still remember when Anglia Radar was done from Stansted Radar Room at the airport back in the old days - so why should callsigns be changed just because a Control Centre moves to a new geographical location!?!?!
Why? Because Manchester Sectors and Scottish Sectors will bandbox together, once controllers start cross validating, so we must have a common callsign.