No ATC-TIBA- Your experiences
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Sorry Bill, I was referring to a previous comment about directing traffic around the TIBA'd sector. I've edited a quote onto my comments above to clarify.
Of course, your comments are spot on - if there is only a single person rostered and he/she goes sick, management have to do the ring around and hope for the best.
keeping staff at a bare minimum to save $$ and increase profits
Sitting on the phone today for 5 mins waiting for ASA to answer my call for a VFR SARTIME cancellation, the ASA ad they play instead of music stated how the Sydney-Melbourne consistently rates in the top 10 for traffic worldwide, and how ASA have won so many awards for their services (or is that lack of services?)
How can this be permitted to happen? Does it take a mid-air collision for someone in a position of power to give ASA a kick up the a$s? There is no reason for TIBA. Downgrade airspace, fine, restrict aircraft numbers, fine too, but to shut airspace down completely without even a FIA service to listen for any distress calls or provide basic traffic information - unacceptable in Australia, unacceptable anywhere.
How can this be permitted to happen? Does it take a mid-air collision for someone in a position of power to give ASA a kick up the a$s? There is no reason for TIBA. Downgrade airspace, fine, restrict aircraft numbers, fine too, but to shut airspace down completely without even a FIA service to listen for any distress calls or provide basic traffic information - unacceptable in Australia, unacceptable anywhere.
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TIBA
As an Australian and as a professional airline pilot I'm apalled that TIBA is being used in Aussie airspace.
My job takes me into Southern Africa from time to time and until only a week ago we used TIBA procedures in Mauritius and Beira airspace. The requirement having been removed due to what is seen as improved airspace management. As previous correspondents have pointed out the fact that it exists in Africa is largely due to a lack of resources and if you have been to that part of the world you will no doubt understand.
Currently it also is used in Yangon airspace. No need to elaborate this point I'm sure.
Although it does work up to a point it requires a considerable amount of discipline and concentration to keep up with what is going on around you especially when it gets busy and/or there is a convergence of air routes.
To see it happening in any Australian airspace is nothing short of a disgrace.
My job takes me into Southern Africa from time to time and until only a week ago we used TIBA procedures in Mauritius and Beira airspace. The requirement having been removed due to what is seen as improved airspace management. As previous correspondents have pointed out the fact that it exists in Africa is largely due to a lack of resources and if you have been to that part of the world you will no doubt understand.
Currently it also is used in Yangon airspace. No need to elaborate this point I'm sure.
Although it does work up to a point it requires a considerable amount of discipline and concentration to keep up with what is going on around you especially when it gets busy and/or there is a convergence of air routes.
To see it happening in any Australian airspace is nothing short of a disgrace.
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Dear max1,
As you say TIBA is : Traffic Information Broadcast by Aircraft
here in my country Saudi Arabia we use this procedure when we fly class G airspace.
This procedure is similar to CTAF procedure when ever you are fling in class G airspace & you are within 40NM of your destination & below 11500' you have to make position reports in order to make flight separation between you & other traffic.
As you say TIBA is : Traffic Information Broadcast by Aircraft
here in my country Saudi Arabia we use this procedure when we fly class G airspace.
This procedure is similar to CTAF procedure when ever you are fling in class G airspace & you are within 40NM of your destination & below 11500' you have to make position reports in order to make flight separation between you & other traffic.
No surprises here as it is a regular occurence in Africa
In South Africa in particular the procedure has been used on numerous occasions when there has been lack of ATC to provide a service but this is usually done either on a FIS frequency or on a sector that has minimal traffic flow.
Usually it will only be done at quieter times on the ACC frequencies like during a night shift and it has occured before that upper level airspace has been downgraded to Class G and either no service (TIBA) or an information only service has been applied.
The oceanic sector is regularly closed due lack of staff and downgraded to Class G.
As for the rest of africa well its pretty ops normal as there are hardly any ATCs in most of these states and none seem to stay through the night so much so that there is a specific TIBA frquency published by IATA 126.9 (IFBP) so that aircraft can "self separate when flying through the continent)
In South Africa in particular the procedure has been used on numerous occasions when there has been lack of ATC to provide a service but this is usually done either on a FIS frequency or on a sector that has minimal traffic flow.
Usually it will only be done at quieter times on the ACC frequencies like during a night shift and it has occured before that upper level airspace has been downgraded to Class G and either no service (TIBA) or an information only service has been applied.
The oceanic sector is regularly closed due lack of staff and downgraded to Class G.
As for the rest of africa well its pretty ops normal as there are hardly any ATCs in most of these states and none seem to stay through the night so much so that there is a specific TIBA frquency published by IATA 126.9 (IFBP) so that aircraft can "self separate when flying through the continent)
