Minimum seperation between IFR and VFR
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Apart from introducing CAS everywhere its not going to get much easier especially in an environment such as Biggin with limited vertical airspace to play with.
It would help if 'some' of the VFR pilots looked out of the window a bit more instead of at their TCAS and GPS.
As for the original post, ATC has provided you with the traffic. If you are not happy request to wait a little longer until it has left the area.
I am sure the majority of ATCO's will give as much assistance to help look for the aircraft or suggest a level more comfortable. But being VFR they may not be able to accept it... or want to (outside CAS).
It would help if 'some' of the VFR pilots looked out of the window a bit more instead of at their TCAS and GPS.
As for the original post, ATC has provided you with the traffic. If you are not happy request to wait a little longer until it has left the area.
I am sure the majority of ATCO's will give as much assistance to help look for the aircraft or suggest a level more comfortable. But being VFR they may not be able to accept it... or want to (outside CAS).
One problem with Biggin is the fact there is a lovely big VOR on the airfield which attracts transit traffic. Everyone routing south of the Heathrow CTR wants to use it in spite of our cajoling not to.
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The other complication with Biggin is that it has an elevation of nearly 600ft, so 2000ft will be well within the ATZ, and will conflict with circuit traffic. Alternative options are 2400ft through the overhead, subject a clearance from EGKB ATC, or 3nm or so to the South. Perhaps the easiest route for VFR is to follow the M25, which will take you clear of Biggin and the EGKK CTA.
ATCO Two: follow the M25 is precisely what we suggest to them but many pilots don't seem willling to do that; they've flight planned via BIG and they're gonna go that way even if it does restrict Biggin and create extra workload for their ATC.
they've flight planned via BIG and they're gonna go that way even if it does restrict Biggin and create extra workload for their ATC.
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Biggin is 600' AMSL base of CAS is 2.5 therefore only 1900' to play with. Since ATZ is 2000' AAl ,ATZ is 2.5 nm The instruction to remain clear/outside ATZ, would/ should stop A/C flying through the overhead.
The real crux of the problem is that many pilots do not understand that at 2.4they are still in the ATZ .
Worse still, are the few pilots and I stress very few pilots who actually take up their right to fly in class G airspace without talking to anyone and as such do not fully plan their route with the use of VFR maps. GPS has helped a great deal but in the wrong hands??
This is NOT anti pilot either.
The real crux of the problem is that many pilots do not understand that at 2.4they are still in the ATZ .
Worse still, are the few pilots and I stress very few pilots who actually take up their right to fly in class G airspace without talking to anyone and as such do not fully plan their route with the use of VFR maps. GPS has helped a great deal but in the wrong hands??
This is NOT anti pilot either.
