UK Stars and Sids
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Berkshire, UK
Age: 79
Posts: 8,268
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Denti and Funnel Cloud.... Breaths of fresh air after some of the comments on here. Thanks. If you guys were around when I was still working I'm sure we got on famously.
Sure, it is sometimes weird when you do a stansted glasgow flight without using your on board equipment except for the first 5 seconds in the air and the ILS because your on vectors the whole flight, but thats just the UK way of doing ATC, not a real biggie in my opinion, especially in view of the very high professionalism of the ATC system.
Will the trust level improve with P-RNAV when RNP-5 or worse becomes RNP-1 or better?
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Southside
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
nzav8tor , i feel i should explain why over the south coast you are turned by 5 degrees and then released, seemingly without any benefit, it is mainly as my colleague medway control put it to avoid step descents, for example EGBB and EGSS arrivals route via the same airway coming over the south coast, the EGBB arrival has to be descended to FL250 an the EGSS to FL190, as generally the EGBB arrival comes above the EGSS sounds like no problems. However, if left on own nav the aircraft will be on top of each other the whole way down and this will result in a high workload for the controller and the pilots concerned. If both aircraft are turned by 5degrees then very soon there is 5nm between them and both can be cleared all the way down. it saves time and because it reduces the amount of level instructions is basically safer.
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Location: In Hotels..
Age: 45
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Okay, I have to clear something up. The London Controllers are fantastic. I have no quams with them and am sorry if I did not make that clear. Its purely a SID and STAR bashing exercise
Someone said that the beginning of the Stars is not clear, its a good point. Is it the Loral 2Q arrival that starts at Gurlu?? WHY?? The first time I entered London Airspace I was frantically looking for the arrival and wading through all the possibilities. And when I found it and got it all set up, we were put on a heading. I would love to visit the centre and will at some point. But I still think there are better ways to sort the mess, which is what it is. A few Zig Zag turns would give space possibilities.
To clear another thing up, I love flying in London as it is a challenge and a rush. I started this debate to get an insight and it is serving it's purpose very well
Someone said that the beginning of the Stars is not clear, its a good point. Is it the Loral 2Q arrival that starts at Gurlu?? WHY?? The first time I entered London Airspace I was frantically looking for the arrival and wading through all the possibilities. And when I found it and got it all set up, we were put on a heading. I would love to visit the centre and will at some point. But I still think there are better ways to sort the mess, which is what it is. A few Zig Zag turns would give space possibilities.
To clear another thing up, I love flying in London as it is a challenge and a rush. I started this debate to get an insight and it is serving it's purpose very well
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sydney
Age: 42
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Appreciate comments and feedback and have alot of respect for you guys down there sweating it out in the dull green glow.
Looks like we'll continue to see improvements and changes to procedures as experience and technology advance to cope with the ever increasing demands placed on the airspace.
Looks like we'll continue to see improvements and changes to procedures as experience and technology advance to cope with the ever increasing demands placed on the airspace.
