New ATC phraseology
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When you have seen a few 747's descend to their MDA over central London because they have been told "cleared ILS approach" you very soon learn to use the phase "when established localiser descend on ILS". Keep your licence safe.
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Phraseology, perhaps can only be found in HK
We have these:
"ZYX456 standby, handover in progress"
"TCAS traffic, traffic left to right xxx"
"Traffic for your TCAS, xxx"
"XYZ123 direct OCEAN"
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The trainer train people to use these phraseologies.
"ZYX456 standby, handover in progress"
"TCAS traffic, traffic left to right xxx"
"Traffic for your TCAS, xxx"
"XYZ123 direct OCEAN"
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The trainer train people to use these phraseologies.
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"Turn left/right heading to intercept DESCEND ON THE GLIDEPATH! Cleared ILS XX"
So uncomplicated! Covers your back in giving the altitude restriction of the glidepath and saves RT transmission times by aircraft NOT having to call established.
I am a convert after having worked the old UK way before. It has been done to death on these boards because as has been mentioned..the UK seems to be the only place that has this confusion. The UK flights into YYZ all report established on the localiser even when they are not being asked to. Frustrating when busy!
Oh as for the giving the QNH with the descent on the ILS...ermm hasn't the pilot already had it on first contact...and first descent...why would they need it again on the ILS?? Unless it has changed in the interim?
So uncomplicated! Covers your back in giving the altitude restriction of the glidepath and saves RT transmission times by aircraft NOT having to call established.
I am a convert after having worked the old UK way before. It has been done to death on these boards because as has been mentioned..the UK seems to be the only place that has this confusion. The UK flights into YYZ all report established on the localiser even when they are not being asked to. Frustrating when busy!
Oh as for the giving the QNH with the descent on the ILS...ermm hasn't the pilot already had it on first contact...and first descent...why would they need it again on the ILS?? Unless it has changed in the interim?
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All very well and good the new clearances. That is until you get cleared for the ILS then get a bolliking for not reporting established!! this is a major UK airfield, please make your minds up what you want from us guys at the front.
"when established descend on the ILS" was the ATC instruction. Does that require an "established" call?
"when established descend on the ILS" was the ATC instruction. Does that require an "established" call?
